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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:49 am 
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Just received my birthday present to myself – Combrig’s 1/700 Algerie. Wow what a kit, just so well detailed. Fortunately, I have the Profile Morskie to supplement the otherwise poor instructions. But to do the kit justice I have a couple of questions. Hopefully I am in the right place to get them answered.

The only thing that lets the kit down in my view are the weapons. The single 37mm are nice and detailed and the quad MGs are fine (they are very similar to the USN Chicago piano mounts of which 3d model parts make a nice example but that wouldn’t be quite right?). The twin 37mm mounts are OK (but gluing individual 37mm barrels??) but as I intend to build her pre war I don’t need these. The 8” turrets are nice but Micromaster do even better ones which are tempting. But the let down is the 1931 twin 100mm mounts which should have an open back but the ones in the kit are solid and lack detail. Micromaster do some very nice 1937 model twin 100mm but these are fully enclosed so not right for the Algerie. Anyone got any bright ideas or know of a manufacturer I have overlooked?
As I want to model her prewar I will have to remove the cowl on the stack. In 1938 the AA fit was modified with the 4 single 37mm moved to the rear, and 2 of the quad MGs were moved from rear of the boat deck – one to on top of the bridge and one to the rear slightly offset. I am OK on their 1938 locations but have no info on the original location of the 2 quad MGs that were moved other than rear boat deck which isn’t precise enough and I would like to build her in 1937 fit. Any ideas?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:22 am 
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Between 1934-37, the quad 13,2 mm guns were all on the first superstructure deck.

The forward pair was in front of the forward 100 mm twin, the rear pair was behind the most rear 100 mm twin.

I cannot remember any producer for these 100 mm guns, but Richelieu had the same guns. Were these on the same mounting? (I have no literature about Richelieu).

The plans of Algérie as built had been available online from one of the French archives, but because of hacker attacks had to be removed - I have just not found an alternative online source. I have them.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:51 am 
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Hi Maxim
Many thanks for your prompt and helpful response. It seems the Richelieu did have the same mounts (well they look the same to me). At least the mounts on Trumpeter's Richelieu are open backed. So if all else fails...


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If these are the same guns, you can ask also Micromaster, if he can also makes that one. With all the plastic Richelieu kits, there could be sufficient demand.

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I have inquired about the mounts for both Richelieu and Algerie from MicroMaster hopefully some day they are available. He does make excellent main armament for Algerie and Richelieu.

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moomoon wrote:
I don't have my litterature about the La Galissonniere cruisers class here but I remember that decks and roofs were dark grey (either natural metal or paint?), linolem or wood (some ships had linoleum, others wood deck at the stern).


This response is a few years late (and I'm not sure that it really helps at all) but I present it nonetheless: Shown here are two colour views of "Gorgeous Legs" (Georges Leygues) as she appeared during a joint British/French patrol under the command of VAdm Marcel Gensoul in late November/early December 1939. Dunkerque and Montcalm were also present (but in the film from which these views were captured, there's only a brief view of Dunkerque from astern and no shots of Montcalm). Nasty weather!

I personally can't see much detail of the deck, but she was definitely light grey (and had a red bottom).

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Frank

Thanks for those pictures. Very helpfull, not least because that is contemporary footage of a ship that should be painted in Gris Clair No 1. Given previously what shade of grey that colour was was mainly guesswork that is quite a find. Just one question. Does that film include any RN ships painted in 507c? 507c is a known colour so a picture from the same film would help greatly in putting Gris Clair in context i.e. lighter, darker or with more blue say than 507c.


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Gcj wrote:
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Thanks for those pictures. Very helpfull, not least because that is contemporary footage of a ship that should be painted in Gris Clair No 1. Given previously what shade of grey that colour was was mainly guesswork that is quite a find. Just one question. Does that film include any RN ships painted in 507c? 507c is a known colour so a picture from the same film would help greatly in putting Gris Clair in context i.e. lighter, darker or with more blue say than 507c.


507C? Yes, I believe it does: At the top left of the image below (which should not be reposted elsewhere), we see H.M.S. "Amphion" (soon to be "Perth"). She seems to be in 507C (though it is patchy-looking, or perhaps its part of her transition to the RAN). Below her on the left is "Dunkerque." The righthand side of the image shows "Gorgeous Legs" being tossed around by very large waves. Please note that the image of D was taken in conditions of direct sun whereas the shots of GL are all on a very nasty day.

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