Calling all Kriegsmarine Prinz Eugen, Admiral Hipper & Blücher fans

Joseph R · Post by **Joseph R** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:39 am

Hi Ken,

No worries, you do get used to it... the amount of stuff I broke on my model - or had drunken friends break for me, while it was still being built, and even after I finished it - well I'm pretty used to fixing up these things now.

Hey look everybody - my build has made it on to the WEM site

http://www.whiteensignmodels.com/brochu ... indler.htm

Oh yeah, prolific Prinz!

Best regards,

Joseph

Richard Durham · Post by **Richard Durham** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:16 pm

This is the Tamiya 1/700 PRINZ EUGEN in a late 1942 configuration. It is painted in MM Acryl Marine Dunklegrau 51. I used GMM, WEM (cranes and doors) and Lion Roar (quad 20mm AA guns) photo etch. The masts have been replaced with bronze rod and stainless steel tubing. The rigging is Dai-Riki fishing line. This is my second build of this kit and I built it again because I was not satisfied with my first try. Rich

Jason M. · Post by **Jason M.** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:33 am

nice work!

Antonio Bonomi · Post by **Antonio Bonomi** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:09 am

Ciao all,

weel I like to sign in here in as well :

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... -main.html

Ciao Antonio

typhoonken · Post by **typhoonken** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:08 am

Everyone,

Thanks for all the suggestions and encouragement. My Prinz has temporarily taken a back seat to other projects, but I have not given up my quest to build/ represent the three Operation Cerberus ships.

The Prinz will be in drydock but I'll get back into it as soon as I can.

Ken

Antonio Bonomi · Post by **Antonio Bonomi** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:35 am

Ciao all,

I am sure many would like to see those drawings :

http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=4305

soon I wil post them on a complete way,.with the complete air recognition marks, ..as on German websites you cannot post them.

Many congratulations to Abram Joslin for his nice and very hard work ,.. SUPER BRAVO !

.

Ciao Antonio

Schnellboot · Post by **Schnellboot** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:23 pm

Hello,

drawings are very nice but there is just one drawing for which I can't agree with you...

Admiral Hipper january/february 1941...

http://gallery.wo2.nl/details.php?image_id=613

On the photo we can see that swastikas on aft and bow are painted over... yes I know that nearly in that period they were on the ship cosidering photos from Profile Morskie 50: Admiral Hipper, but still I think that in january or february there were no swastikas as shown from photo above... (while ship was drydocked at Brest)

Any comments?

ModelWarships Gallery Page · Post by **ArizonaBB39** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 2:44 pm

The Swatstika is indeed there, Antonio provided me with very good pictures that clearly show it. I don't know if he wants me to post them or not, but I have them.

The picture I am referring to is a very good close up of the forward half of the ship while in drydock. And the large white circle is there, you can tell they are re-painting it or uncovering it, as it looks like there are canvas covers over the top of it. Antonio sent me many pictures, and as you get further away from the ship or at certain angles the less and less visible it becomes, it is quite interesting.

I will post the photo later after asking Antonio if it is ok(or Antonio may himself).

Schnellboot · Post by **Schnellboot** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 4:18 pm

OK... but I'm little bit confused... on those three drawings it is written that they represent Admiral Hipper as in January 1941., and as far is I know Hipper was, as the first drawing refers "Leaving Brest" on 1.February 1941. , was on the atlantic between 1. and 14. February 1941. in search for convoy HG53 (finding SLS64)... and it came back to germany in 28.3.1941... So I think that those things, or better to say months would be good to change on drawings...

I hope that I had understand right that scheme "on atlantic" is for mentioned convoy search. Or isn't?

I know that hipper was painted as shown and with swastikas while in Brest and while leaving Brest in search for convoy HG53... but I must take on notice that on photo shown earlyer, while drydocked, what was most probably in february after attack on convoy SLS64, swastikas were covered or overpainted... and at last when Hipper was coming back to Germany swastikas were painted again... So... when were swastikas covered with canvas/overpainted?

ModelWarships Gallery Page · Post by **ArizonaBB39** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:02 pm

Swatstikas were painted/covered and turret colors were removed whenever the ship would leave the Luftwaffe air cover, again to be re-painted/uncovered upon entering Liftwaffe air cover.

So whenever the ship was outside air cover range the air recognition markings were hidden/removed. So they were hidden/removed when searching for convoys, and when the ship sailed to Germany. they were probably uncovered/re-painted whenever the ship was within air cover range.

I hope that makes some sense, Antonio knows much more than I do, but we'll have to wait until the morning for him, as it is already 11PM in Italy!!

Antonio Bonomi · Post by **Antonio Bonomi** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:43 am

Ciao Schnellboot, Abram and all,

@ Schnellboot,

well I think Abram as already answered to you quite well,.. as he is fast on learning and we talked quite a bit about this interesting aspect of the Admiral Hipper life as well as the KM warships way to do those things, .. which is part of the fun of working together with such a clever guy, .... I am sure you understand.

In addittion to what Abram correctly wrote about Luftwaffe air coverage expectation from the KM ships ,.. jointly agreed with Kriegsmarine after Op. Wikinger disaster ( Z1 and Z3 sunk by HE 111 bombers on Heligoland on February 1940,.. and curious to know that the ' agreement ' was signed on board Adm Hipper on February 22, 1940,... were the board of inquiry for that '' incident '' took place ..

) we have to think about Brest harbour docking precautions too.

So it is obvious that they did not wanted to be a ''better '' target for RAF bombers while under their coverage in Brest dry dock's.

Consequently the ship air recognition marks were covered-hidden with canvas as Abram correctly saw on the photos I sent him,... to be removed when the ship was sailing into Luftwaffe range, .. either starting the search for convoys on her Atlantic missions,..as well as during some trials she had on the close harbour area but still under Luftwaffe air range,..many photos do exist and you see the top turrets colous visible as well as the swastika banners.

Than when the ship was docked again,..immediately they covered the top turrets with canvas as well as the swastika banners. ....... and put nets on the ship too, trying to hide her on the bassin ( dry dock ) she was into.

When the mission required long time out of lLuftwaffe range usually they painted over everything to re-paint it coming under Luftwaffe air coverage again,.. maybe with different top turrets colour code,... for precaution.

Hope my explanation is clear enough.

@ Abram,

I have no problems to post infos,.. but I have to care about books photo copyright.

That is why I am sending you on a private mail a version of the photos you can post, .. from Italian books,... so it will be no problems for anybody.

We will show Admiral Hipper into Laninon bassin nr 9 in Brest ( the one Schnellboot showed too ) usually the one were Gneisenau was.

But Adm Hipper was not only on that bassin, ....

http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1209

Ciao Antonio

ModelWarships Gallery Page · Post by **ArizonaBB39** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:10 pm

To Schnellboot

Here is the picture I was referring to:

Admiral Hipper at Brest

And here is another one Antonio sent me that shows more clearly the canvas over the air recognition marks.

Admiral Hipper at Brest 2

I hope these help!

ModelWarships Gallery Page · Post by **ArizonaBB39** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:19 pm

If the above links dont work try these:

Admiral Hipper 1
Admiral Hipper 2

Picture #2 is the one I was referencing earlier.

Antonio Bonomi · Post by **Antonio Bonomi** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:12 am

Ciao all,

here in you can find the non-censored versions :

http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1221

special thanks to Abram .... a very hard work ...

Ciao Antonio

Schnellboot · Post by **Schnellboot** » Thu May 03, 2007 2:47 pm

One question: are there any plans of hull plating of Admiral Hipper class cruisers?

Joseph R · Post by **Joseph R** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:25 am

Hate to answer a question with a question, but what scale are you building her in, to need to detail the hull plating?!

I only wonder this, because large German warships tended to have much softer, more subtle straking/plating patterns than did British ones.

You must be building a pretty massive model???

Schnellboot · Post by **Schnellboot** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:54 am

Well it is in scale 1/200... that is 1 meter in length...

http://www.shipmodels.info/mwphpBB2/vie ... hp?t=12586

nboyd383 · Post by **nboyd383** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:24 am

I am absolutely in love with the prinz eugen it amazes me such beauty such style such grace and destructive power to boot I am sure it will be my first scratchbuild and then my second cause my first wont do it justice

Post by **Olaf Held** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:46 pm

And another Prinz...

This is my Tamiya kit in progress:

Cheers ~ Olaf

Dan K · Post by **Dan K** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:53 pm

Looks like a very nice build to me, Olaf.

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