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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:39 pm 
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Beautiful model!

One small detail is missing, and it varied from ship to ship. There was a bell or small horn warning signal mounted on the back side of the launcher (opposite to the direction the missiles were pointing). This alarm was sounded any time the launcher was rotating and when the blast doors were opening. The lower blast door opened only a few feet above the deck. It opened very fast - about a second from closed to open. The door weighed a ton or two and was driven by a hydraulic ram. If you were standing under it you wouldn't delay it's progress even a millisecond, and you would be a few feet shorter!

Look at photos of individual ships to see what type of alarm was mounted there.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:14 pm 
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Greetings! I'm building the Dragon 1/700 model of the Long Beach - 1980 version.

Question: in 1980, what color was the helo landing area? I've seen photos and model builds where it seems to be:

a) a lighter color than the rest of the deck;
b) a darker color than the rest of the deck, almost black; and
c) the same color as the rest of the deck.

What's correct for 1980?

Answers much appreciated. Thanks!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:06 am 
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Paul all the photos I have seen during my research show a darker grey for the helo deck area during all of her service life. All modellers take different interpretations into a build so you are better off going by the pics of the beast!! here are a few shots from what I have gathered of her flight deck area....


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:09 am 
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Also I think I used Tamiya Gunship grey II for flight decks or Tamiya IJN grey sasebo arsenal (spray tins) It will be in my 1/72 USS Long Beach build over on RC groups somewhere......

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:16 am 
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HvyCgn9 wrote:
Paul all the photos I have seen during my research show a darker grey for the helo deck area during all of her service life. All modellers take different interpretations into a build so you are better off going by the pics of the beast!! here are a few shots from what I have gathered of her flight deck area....



Thanks, that's very helpful! Yes, that "lighter" look - perhaps, as you say, a trick of the light - has definitely been incorporated into Dragon's box art for the 1980 version:

http://www.dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=CHC7135


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:54 am 
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Her hull is back out near the nest of SSNs awaiting recycling, her bow and stern were removed during her drydocking, but about 2/3 of her hull is still there.

Visible when looking up Bremerton on Google maps, and confirmed by visual from my boat this weekend.


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Just clean up the hull. Post photos later.


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50 years ago, on 23rd of May 1968, USS Long Beach (CGN-9) shot down a MiG with a Talos at a range of 65 miles. The first kill with a ship-based anti-aircraft missile.

I built a 1/700 model using the JAG kit converted to her 1968 fit:

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I added Terrier and Talos launchers by diStefan 3Dprint

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and Mk 56 directors by Model Monkey
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I served with a couple of fellows who were on the Long Beach for that kill. Here is what they told me.

The NVN had "fishing boats" that followed our ships in the Gulf of Tonkin and radioed information back to Hanoi, so they knew what ships we had and their capabilities. Talos had a range of 130 nautical miles, so when a Talos ship was in the gulf they didn't fly anywhere close to it.

On the way out to WESTPAC the Long Beach stopped at Pearl Harbor and installed a TACAN system from an old WWII era guns only destroyer that was returning from Vietnam to the States. This gave the Long Beach the electronic signature of that destroyer. The Long Beach steamed into the gulf at night with most of her electronics silent so it looked like the old destroyer returning.

There were two NVN MiGs flying together when they fired the Talos. When the MiGs realized they were being tracked they started a cross-over pattern where the planes weaved back and forth with one crossing over the other. This was supposed to confuse missiles but it had no effect on Talos. The intercept happened when the two planes were some distance apart. If they had been crossing at that instant the missile might have downed them both!

For more information about Talos see:
https://www.okieboat.com/Talos.html
https://www.okieboat.com/Talos%20history.html

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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2018 11:41 am 
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Thank you for the interesting story and the interesting links!

Hopefully there will be a Oklahoma City 1/700 kit available as some point. Alternatively I will fuse a Galveston stern part to a Springfield foreship....

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maxim,

The "Springston" would be interesting! There were some significant differences between the Galveston, Springfield and the OK City.

1. The Galveston's missile house upper (O2) deck was shaped different.

2. The boat decks on Galveston and Springfield were different from OK City.

3. Springfield had the Mk 34 main battery director - it was removed from the OK City in the early 60s.

4. The forward tower and O6 ECM shack were unique on the OK City from the mid '60s on.

It really depends upon the year you are modeling the OK City. It was very similar to the Little Rock in 1960, but a LOT of changes were made after that. If you decide to build the model contact me and I will help if I can.

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Thank you for the advice! I will write you when I start that!

Do you know if the other two halves (bow part of Galveston and stern part of Springfield) can be used to built Topeka?

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"Galveka" should work pretty good.

The forward half of both Galveston and Topeka were mostly unchanged from the original WWII configuration. The three Terrier CLGs were pretty close to the same on the aft half. However, my experience is that no two shipyards built the ships the same way, and because Galveston and Topeka were the first Talos/Terrier CLGs the following ships had some modifications. The radar towers are probably the most noticeable differences.

I would have to look at photos pretty carefully to see what minor differences there were - and there aren't a lot of photos of Topeka after the CLG conversion.

Again, I might be able to help you with that project. I have a lot of photos of the CLGs.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2018 7:38 am 
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Hi Phil,
Then I know whom to ask for both projects!

Both are not to be done soon, but for sure I would like to built all the different classes and subclasses of missile guided cruiser conversion.

Cheers,
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