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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:26 am 
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Another two photos of USS Honolulu (30th of January 1942?):

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Unfortunately the radar on the foremast is not visible, but the boats are and also the radar on the forward Mk 34 director. And there are four 20 mm guns on the upper deck in front of the bridge.

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From the image I posted earlier, it was pretty clear that she had yet had a search radar installed on either mast.

It appears that a few sailors or workmen are enjoying the view. :big_grin: Or they are prepping the top of the foremast for installation of a SC or SC-1 radar at a future date. In early 1942 radars were still in short supply. The larger warships of the USN were "suppose" to get bigger and better radars than the SC (aka CXAM-1 of a follow-on), with the SC intended for the destroyers. But, most units got at least the SC-1 before SC-2 and other larger radars were available.


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They are some quite useful pics! I'm not going to go mad on the details but they will help with the etch railings and masts for example. I had done some searches but found nothing as useful myself. During 1942 (prior to the October pics), did she have enough time in port to fit an sc radar? Clearly she didn't have one in January but I'm thinking maybe later in the year as they became available, she might have been fitted with one.

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What I'm uncertain about with this photo is that platform on the foremast. It was a common feature on ships getting radar installed. It was temporary while they modified the mast to install the structures needed for the antenna. A lot of USN ships in December 1941 and early 1942 had their mast (fore or main) modified well before a radar was actually installed.

Her radar could have been installed shortly after this photo was taken or several months afterward. She was reportedly escorting convoys from the West Coast to points west until May 1942. That gave her plenty of opportunities to have her radar installed.


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I've fitted the quad 1.1's now and I'm working on some railings around the bridge. I'll use some pva (white) glue on the bridge top railings to recreate the canvas. Thanks for the help folks, it's all been useful. I'll pop a radar on the foremast then and I guess it'll be more or less correct for some point in the middle of 1942. The model won't be brilliant but it will be better than before and importantly, it will be in the correct camouflage measure. I've also ordered myself a Niko Helena, which I've read is a good kit and it'll mean I've got one each of the different US large light cruisers.

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The Helena kit by Niko Model is good, but there are two small problems, which are easy to fix:

a) according to the kit's instructions the after Mk 33 director should be placed too far aft:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=32971&start=120#p585365
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=32971&start=120#p589515

b) the hawsepipes are too much forward, see here for a corrected model:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=32971&start=120#p590147

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Another view of HONOLULU during the January 1942 yard period:

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There definitely was not yet an SC/SC-1 radar antenna on the foremast at this point - but maybe it was added soon after these photos were taken? Maybe at a forward base (from a tender) or at Pearl Harbor?


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Thanks for the help so far on Honolulu. I need some help with the masts. Can anyone tell me what thickness (in metric) the masts should be? Master do tapered brass masts , which is handy. Is there any scale plans at all for the masts as well? I could guess but if there's a scale guide, that would make things a lot easier!

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what scale is the model?


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Hi David

It's on the previous page - 1/700.

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I've got the turned brass masts and yardarms now so could use some plans/dimensions etc for Honolulu's masts, so I can finish my restoration.

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Hey all - anyone have high-res photos of Savannah (CL-42) after reconstruction following the guided bomb hit off Salerno?

Navsource has a few, but nothing too spectacular.


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Not sure what aspects you want or need for your illustrations, but here are a couple of broadside and one aerial views dated in October 1944 and April 1945.

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Those are fabulous Rick, thanks!

I guess my next question is: are there any plans available for the rebuilt Savannah? My very basic research so far has shown Honolulu receiving the blister / dual 5"/38 mount modification in late 1945, but I can't find any booklets of general plans for this config and the few drawings I've found online are inaccurate.


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I looked for drawings of the BROOKLYN class at NARA at the request for someone else, and for some reason there was very little available for any of the class (at least as paper drawings). Ironically there were paper drawings for HELENA pre-WWII, but none of the others in the class. There could be microfilm copies of drawings, but I didn't look for them (that is a time consuming effort).

Here is an overhead view that is nice for showing the layout of this cruiser.

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Profile Morskie has plans of Savannah as converted. It is No. 95. They now sell only the plans in different scales (1/700 - 1/72).

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The National Archives microfilm plans list includes the following:

CL-40 Brooklyn 1936
CL-41 Philadelphia 1936
CL-42 Savannah 1937
CL-43 Nashville 1937
CL-47 Boise 1937
CL-49 St. Louis 1938
CL-50 Helena 1939

The list is brief and doesn't say anything about what plans they have for each ship - just that there is something there. They also list "APER" drawings. I assume these are aperture cards with microfilm inserts.

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I'll check the Profile Morskie option - historically I've steered away from using them as I've found numerous errors in a lot of his work. The main area I need plans to help with is the amidships quad Bofors tower abeam the searchlight platform - I can't find any plans that show this area in detail.

One of these days I plan to start ordering and scanning microfilm for this stuff!


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Generally I have found that the APER cards aren't helpful for ship details in general. They seem to be mostly drawings for specific equipment onboard (like an oil pump, wiring diagrams, etc).

The microfilm at NARA can be copied to a digital format by a pro researcher with the right equipment for a fee. Because of the number of the microfilm rolls for a large ship like a cruiser, it will be costly. At NARA you can look at the microfilm, frame by frame, and make paper copies at something like $0.50 a page, if their old microfilm reader equipment is working that day. The NARA downtown (NARA I) has newer microfilm equipment that is much better for viewing (with a large screen) and getting digital copies directly to a USB device. The NARA College Park (NARA II) was suppose to get similar microfilm equipment, but the last I knew they had not.


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