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Calling all RN/RAN Leander-class (1931) fans

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Hello,

I've got two very interesting pics showing Leander Class Royal Navy Light Cruiser passing Kiel Kanal (one in Holtenau or Brunsbutel locks and an other under Levensauer Hochbrucke- the place where every German warship was pictured :welcome:)

RN ships sometimes came back home using this way when paying visits in Baltic countries.

My question is which one of Leander class could be portrayed on pictures,
ie, which one paid visit on Baltic during prewar career.
Comparing some details I would vote for HMS Achilles or HMS Leander
herself but I can be wrong.
The best news would be only one of this class was ever present on the
Baltic sea :big_grin: and problem would resolve by itself.

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I forgot to mention, great topic! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
This month I'm only building my HMS ships. :big_grin:





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Leander class

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Is it possible to make a 1/600 scale Leander class into a close approximation of a waterline 1/700 scale?
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HMAS SYDNEY piccys.

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Piccys of Sydney
THE first photographs have been released of the HMAS Sydney sitting at a depth of 2400m, 112 nautical miles off Dirk Hartog Island.

[Editor's note: HMAS Sydney was an Amphion-class (modified Leander-class) light cruiser of the Royal Australian Navy. The ship had great success in the first years of World War II, but controversy and mystery surrounded the loss of the battle-hardened Sydney and her crew in November 1941. Her sinking with all hands represents the greatest ever loss of life in an Australian warship; Sydney was also the largest vessel of any country to be lost with all hands during the war.]

The seven pictures show wreckage strewn on top of �Y� turret, and �B� turret with evidence of a direct hit by the German raider HSK Kormoran between its gun barrels.
Another picture reveals a port side cradle for the aft 27-foot whale boat, which is missing, and another shows an upturned searchlight platform torn away from forward funnel.
Other pictures show areas of Sydney�s teak decking remain remarkably intact and some of the many portholes visible on Sydney�s port side.
The wreckage of HMAS Sydney was finally discovered last month 66 years after vanishing off the coast of Western Australia.
While the discovery of the final resting place of 645 Australian servicemen solves our greatest maritime mystery, questions about why it has taken so long to find her and what exactly happened on November 19, 1941, continue to bubble to the surface.

The quick-fire discovery of Sydney and her German nemesis also highlights the carefully managed public relations exercise involving the Finding Sydney Foundation and various federal government departments.
According to expedition leader and famed shipwreck hunter David Mearns, his organisation told Finding Sydney chairman Ted Graham in Canberra around lunchtime on Sunday - an hour after Kevin Rudd told the nation the Kormoran had been found that the Sydney had also been discovered.
The discovery also finally put to rest claims the Kormoran's commander, Theodor Detmers, lied about where he thought the Sydney had gone down.
Detmers, along with 317 German survivors from the scuttled German raider, last saw the Sydney listing, ablaze and rudderless, heading south-southeast.

He told his interrogators the co-ordinates for the battle zone: 111 degrees east, 26 south.
Despite decades of scepticism and deep suspicions about the German's claims, Mr Mearns believed him and used that information and other German accounts as the platform to launch his expedition.
The SV Geosounder found the Kormoran almost exactly where Detmers said it was.
The photographs may help maritime historians to piece together what happened more than 66 years ago in Sydney's encounter with the Kormoran.
Under the Historic Shipwreck Act, a protected zone of 200ha will be enforced around the wrecks, with hefty fines to discourage souvenir hunters.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 01,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/

last saw the Sydney listing, ablaze and rudderless,
First I have heard of rudderless & as it was dark at the time ????
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"Rudderless" does not necessarily mean physically missing its rudder, more likely that it was not being steered with control or was on an erratic course. Burning as she was, it may have appeared the ship was meandering, especially from a distance, and in little/no daylight.

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The pictures made available so far give no clue about why the ship was lost. Do the local currents move on-shore or off-shore?
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RNfanDan wrote:"Rudderless" does not necessarily mean physically missing its rudder, "We've lost rudder, Cap'n...!"
AFAIK the german survivors did not mention anything about a meandering course etc
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chuck wrote:The pictures made available so far give no clue about why the ship was lost. Do the local currents move on-shore or off-shore?
Not sure about that section 100miles off shore. but being the Western side of the island generally sth to nth (cool water current.)
However some rubbish was found on the coastline Sth East, & one carly float was on Christmas island 2 mths later, almost NNE.
Graham in WA would be able to give a better idea being semi local to the area,
7 boats & gawd knows how many carly floats & only 2 floats ever show up?
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More pics have been released on the Finding Sydney website which show more damage and the overall condition of the HMAS Sydney. There is also video footage of the initial ROV dive
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must have been indeed a shock & at the same time a relief for the relatives ...

They now know where their dads / grand dads rest forever ...

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HMNZS ACHILLES

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Gentlemen, and ladies,
I am trying to figure out what her bridge deck looked like. I would rather not just throw a couple of ranfinders and fake the rest. I have the profile morskie top and profile views thanks to Max, but really can't see what I am supposed to put there. Can anyone help?

Here are a few in process shots; constructive criticism is welcomed, but after 4 years of build&stare, I just want her finished.
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To all your readers, I have studied the mystery of the Sydney for 12 years, attended both the Senate and Cole Inquiries and have given evidence, including photographic evidence, that the ships found are not the Sydney and Kormoran. The badges are wrong for the Sydney's boats which should not have badges on them at all. Two different turrets, and Y turret is not covered by debris but fishing net and plastic pipes. One of the boats has had several deletions made using digital work and many other faults. The stern is different to the Sydney, the watertight doors all hang open, the funnel behind the searchlight platform shows it to be a Leander cruiser ie Neptune. The searchlight platform is completely wrong and has a Carley float mounting hanging from it which Sydney never had, but used on British ships. Additionally, the quarterdeck shows a chain around the bollards and cable coiled up on the deck with a piece hanging over the stern. Like Neptune this ship was rigged for towing. There are many instances of mistakes in the few photographs released, about 24 out of 1400 they claim to have of the ship. No one has seen them all that I know of, and although there were several ex-Sydney crew in Perth when the search took place, none were invited onboard. Incidentally, the whaler cradle mentioned by one reader is not a cradle at all but the end of the catapult, of which there are three ?? There are so many mistakes I cannot list them all but a close study will probably reveal even more to you if you look closely, the Bakers' shop, bridge etc just too many.
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Achilles weapons outfit in 1942.

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Hello,
I'd like to know the weapons carried by the HMNZS Achilles in 1942.
Now, I know that she was armed with 4 twin 6" turrets, 4 single 4" AA guns, 3 quad MG and 2 quad TT, plus a catapult for a Walrus seaplane.
I know that she had a refit from september to early december 1942 in Aukland ( http://www.naval-history.net/xGM-Chrono ... hilles.htm ), and I'd like to know if she got better AA guns during that period.
Maybe some 20mm Oerlikon or some 2pdr. pom-pom were fitted.
Maybe the facilities in Aukland were not able to provide replacement for single 4" with double mounts as in her sisters.

Thank you in advance
Max
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Greating gentlemen,

I was wondering if anybody out there knows of the identity of the Japanese sub credited with the torpedo-ing of HMAS Hobart:

"On 20 July 1943, while at sea with the ships of Task Force 74, HOBART was struck by a torpedo fired by a Japanese submarine and suffered severe damage and some casualties. She managed to proceed to Esperitu Santo where after de-ammunitioning, she was escorted to Sydney by HMAS WARRAMUNGA and HMAS ARUNTA, arriving on 26 August for extensive repairs which kept her out of service until 1945"
http://www.navy.gov.au/HMAS_Hobart_(I)

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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Phealan wrote:Greating gentlemen,

I was wondering if anybody out there knows of the identity of the Japanese sub credited with the torpedo-ing of HMAS Hobart:

"On 20 July 1943, while at sea with the ships of Task Force 74, HOBART was struck by a torpedo fired by a Japanese submarine and suffered severe damage and some casualties. She managed to proceed to Esperitu Santo where after de-ammunitioning, she was escorted to Sydney by HMAS WARRAMUNGA and HMAS ARUNTA, arriving on 26 August for extensive repairs which kept her out of service until 1945"
http://www.navy.gov.au/HMAS_Hobart_(I)

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Ben. :wave_1:
Hello Ben,
According to Nihon Kaigun website, it was I-11.
"20 July 1943:
Off San Cristobal, New Hebrides, Solomons. At a range of 10 miles, LtCdr Tagami fires two Type 95 torpedoes at the Australian light cruiser HMAS HOBART. One hits the HOBART port amidships at 15-07S, 163-43E but she makes Espirtu Santo the next day with 15 dead and seven injured seamen aboard. After temporary repairs she makes Sydney under her own power, but permanent repairs to the extensively damaged ship take 17 months."

Link to the website : http://www.combinedfleet.com/kaigun.htm

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Hi Guys,

I've been keen to build Perth for a couple of years. We dived her in 2009 and I know some of her survivors.
Unfortunately there are no 1:350 models of her. I am therefore investigating the difficulties of converting the ISW Achilles to represent Perth.
Now, while the plans and the figures say that Perth is a bit over 2 meters longer than Achilles ( and 30cm wider) on the plans from Profile Morskie the inter turret distance appears to be within 1 mm. In fact it is quite difficult to see exactly where the extra length has been added. From what I can tell so far things seem to fit quite well and although it will not technically be exactly correct for length etc. the difference will be imperceptible without the real thing next to it.
Here's where I am up to with this experiment so far. The hull was sent to me in error when I ordered their Exeter model so at worst it will become scrap but if this look promising I will purchase the rest of the kit and give it a go.
Your opinions valued!

Andrew
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Forward deck reconstructed and rear susperstructure template. Central deck house will probably need to be removed and remade.rear deck house is not quite correct shape but the vents are in the correct position and given that it is under the gun deck it may not be worth changing given the damage that will be done to the deck.
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Re: Calling all RN Leander (Amphion) & D-class fans

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I'm interested in doing an Airfix 1:600 Ajax conversion to the HMAS Sydney, however the model has not been produced by Airfix since 2006 so I'm having a bit of toruble getting my hands on a model.

Once I get my hands on one, it'll be my next model right after I finish the DKM Bismarck and Hr. Ms. Evertsen.
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HMAS Perth - Oerlikon fitted on quarterdeck Feb 1941

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Trying to confirm whether the AA gun fitted on the quarterdeck of HMAS Perth in Feb 1941 is an Oerlikon and where it would have come from. Were there spares available in the Med at that time or would it have come from another ship?

Would anyone have a closeup of an Oerlikon gun fitted on the quarterdeck of a british cruiser around that time? I know HMS York had one in 1940-41.

Also any info regarding when these guns were fitted to the cruisers in the Med fleet.
Thanks
BC
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Post by dick »

I dont think your photo shows Perth.
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Re: HMAS Perth - Oerlikon fitted on quarterdeck Feb 1941

Post by ar »

The 20mm OERLIKON would have been in place by early January.

For an exchange on this subject, see Steel Navy messages of recent date between Constable and WR.

A question; Why would you want to see a photo of of a 20mm fitted an the quarterdeck of a cruiser at that time? I don't see how that would help you.
spruso wrote:Trying to confirm whether the AA gun fitted on the quarterdeck of HMAS Perth in Feb 1941 is an Oerlikon and where it would have come from. Were there spares available in the Med at that time or would it have come from another ship?

Would anyone have a closeup of an Oerlikon gun fitted on the quarterdeck of a british cruiser around that time? I know HMS York had one in 1940-41.

Also any info regarding when these guns were fitted to the cruisers in the Med fleet.
Thanks
BC
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