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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:35 pm 
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Binnacle, in which a compass is housed.

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Thanks, Lars! Don´t you have a photo of it?

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Partly obscured, but you can see the one the Indianapolis used so it should be the same model the Northampton’s used. If you search Binnacle on Google images, you will get a wide array of different versions used over time.

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Great, thanks, mystery solved! Looks really "alien" with the two lights :)

Re deck plank dimensions - I checked some photos and the width seems to be roughly 12cm, see e.g. on NARA 80-G-13490. What is interesting is that the planking pattern appears to be less regular than I´d expect as noticeable on the hi-res version of the photo. Anyway, the pattern is probably nothing to really care about in 1/700 ;)

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Vladi wrote:
1. would anyone have at hand dimensions (length x width) of planking on a Northampton-class cruiser?


I was stationed on USS Prairie which served through all of WWII. Planking width was 6"/15.2 cm. Length was variable, but anywhere from 12'/366 cm or less.


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Looks really "alien" with the two lights :)

What is interesting is that the planking pattern appears to be less regular than I´d expect as noticeable on the hi-res version of the photo. Anyway, the pattern is probably nothing to really care about in 1/700 ;)


The two "lights" are actually solid metal sphere's. They help the compass keep accuracy.

Plank pattern was really not there except that they were laid fore and aft for the most part. When it came to deck protrusions and deck edges the there were planks custom cut to fit around them and fill in the space where the 6" wide planks "missed" filling.


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Thanks a lot for the insights!

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Vladi,

I don't know the dimensions of the Northampton class deck boards, but the Clevelands (CL) had 4" by 2" planks up to 18 feet long. They were cut to varying lengths, usually in 4 foot increments to match the frame spacing. The deck photos Guba posted are from the USS Little Rock CG-5 museum ship - it was a Cleveland class ship.

I think battleships had 6" wide deck planks.

Deck boards were beveled 3/16" by 1" deep on the top edges. When two boards were jammed together they had a 3/8" wide by 1" deep triangular gap between them. This was stuffed with oakum and a grout to make the seams water tight.

Margin boards were placed around the edges of the wooden deck. They were 9" by 2", with the deck boards nibbed (notched) in to a depth of 2" - half the width of the deck boards. However, the margin boards were never cut to less than 6" thick at the nibs. Actually, where margin boards fit against superstructure sides and other large flat surfaces the edge against the metal was 2 1/2" thick, with the board beveled to 2" thick where it joined the deck planks. This caused water to run away from the vertical metal sides. I doubt than anyone has ever tried to model this feature!

Where margin boards fit around curved features like vents and pipes they were sometimes carved to fit - but never less than 6" wide. Where there were gaps between the margin boards and vertical surfaces - especially around small radius features, the gaps were filled with a mixture of tar and cement that was harder than the grout between boards.

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PS: The metal spheres on the binnacle were adjusted in/out to compensate for the ship's distortion of the Earth's magnetic field. This oriented the magnetic compass in the binnacle to correct magnetic bearings. The spheres were often called the "navigator's balls." By WWII in addition to the spheres most ships also had electrical coils on the binnacle around the compass. A current flowing through the coils generated a magnetic field that was adjusted to compensate for the ship's magnetic field.

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Hi guys, thanks for all the details, I am always keen to learn new things! Especially because I live far away from the sea and becoming onboard a real big ship (not even mentioning WW2 veterans) is always a big holiday for me.
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maxim wrote:
That is very likely a pirate copy!


Verified to be PIRATED.

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Teak decking from HOUSTON does still exist, but I'm not sure the width of planks can be deduced from these...I've seen one such piece of CA-30's deck that is approx. 4.5" wide.

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Thanks, guys. My decision is that I will live with what´s on the Corsair Armada Houston/Chicago kit. It´s quite decent and won´t be much visible with USN Deck Blue plus weathering anyway.

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Here's a link to a bunch of photos of CHICAGO under construction and being launched, found by accident. She is listed under "CL-29" for a search. Good for lower hull references. The tif files are huge, but very detailed.
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 29&start=0


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Nice find! I hadn't thought to try the original hull number... great stuff.


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Fully agree - I always tried just CA-29, too... Thanks!

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Captain Morgan wrote:
I have a Corsair Armada Northampton in my stash, but since I wanted to build all of the class I bought a CNDragon Northampton on ebay being a little scared of what it would be like. What I found is it is the Corsair Armada Northampton. I'm not sure if they bought the molds, but it has the copyright mark and CAP 1995 in the exact same spot as the Older Kit I have. The hulls are within a mm of length and are both molded very well. It has to be from original molds or it would not be as distinctly identical as these are.
I hope it's not pirated, but I found no way to contact Mike at CAP to find out.

Yes it was pirated. They just substituted other AA guns, but even copied the TMW brass. You can contact me on this site through a PM, or addressing a post to me.

I sold two NH in an order to a Chinese online store and so far Wasp and NH have appeared as pirated kits. If their kit is shorter than mine at all, it's evidence of a pirated kit because it's another generation of molds away from the original pattern, which I have not sold.


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It’s pretty brazen of them to do this. I know how it feels as something I way making and selling on eBay was pirated and copied. They copied the basic construction and changed the look slightly but the dimensions were identical to my plans I had drawn.

Corsair Armada products are well made and I have almost one of each kit from Hoga to Wasp in size. I can tell much time and effort goes into each model kit.

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Thank you for the kind words, Captain. I hope you had fun with the kits. I like to see them being built, instead of gathering dust. Many are still in production, so replacement parts are available.


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For those of you that keep track of the PV Petel postings on Facebook they just recently posted photos they took from the wreck of the Northampton (as noted on the General Forum page). To go along with their posting they shared an album of 107 photos from anther Facebook page, World War II Radio, taken on board the Northampton sometime in the first half or so of 1942, no exact date given. The series of photos is from Life Magazine and are very much like the ones posted that were on the Portland in late 1941 or very early 1942. I have never seen these.

The photos show Northampton after the forward funnel extension was removed, 20 mm guns on the stern and foremast platform added, and what I think is one of the two 20 mm guns on the 03 level of the forward superstructure in place. However, the two Mk 19 gun directors do not have fire control radar in the photos. The most interesting photo of the group to me is one taken from the bow looking back at the bridge superstructure. This photo will cause model builders wishing to build Northampton during 1942 to rethink what was thought to be know about the forward superstructure based on the limited number of photos of the ship.

This is my first time trying to post photos so I hope they come through.

https://imgur.com/a/UJKsk7B

List of photos: 1. Bridge from bow area, 2. Bridge looking forward from forward funnel, 3. 03 bridge wing from above. The officer with his hands behind his back is walking forward on the bridge wing., 4. Back of bridge viewed from hanger., 5. Aft end of 03 bridge wing., 6. foremast platform looking forward., 7 comparison view of bridge 1930s.

It appears from this photo that the 02 level bridge wings have ben cut off flush with the 03 level above to better clear the 1.1" gun position on the 01 level below. It also appears that the wind baffle splinter shield on the wing of the 03 level has been removed to the outside edge and a smooth, higher splinter shield added. One of the photos shows this position on the 03 level from just above with a 20 mm on a raised platform behind the splinter shield. Also note the tubs on the 04 level on either side of the base of the MK 19 director (could these be for the 1.1" AA directors?) and the heavy metal strips coming down the face of the bridge from underneath the director support. A couple of photos taken from the well deck looking forward along the edge of the 02 and 03 levels seem to show straight unbroken lines with no tubs extending outboard and splinter shields on the outside back edge of the 03 level above the flag containers on the 02 level.

More photos are of the inside of the platform above the bridge on the foremast. These photos show the 20 mm guns (2) that were there. These photos and the one of the full bridge from forward also show that the extension out from the front of this platform was not the full depth of the platform. The photo of the bridge shows this clearly and one of the photos from the inside shows the step up from the platform floor. A range finder set in the position.

If any of you are able to look at the photos I would welcome your thoughts on what they show. Something new always seems to pop up when you think we know all we are going to know about a ship.


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Frank,

Beat me to it, just got all these downloaded and archived. I agree with your findings, I think those tubs flanking the Mk19 were meant for directors. In the photo of her taking the Hornet under tow, you can see something in the tub that is not a 20mm. I find the raised 20mm's on the bridge wings interesting and wonder if the Chicago had the same fit with slightly different bulwark. There were at least 2 pictures in the series that were clearly taken on a transport ship, as there would have been no way for broken down army bombers to be transported on Northampton. You also need to be careful as several are reverse negatives. This is most notable in the Well Deck where a Vertical Ladder and Ladder keep swapping sides of the Hangar face. It is of note as well that Northampton and possibly others had different arrangements as the is a clear image of Chester in this time frame and location that her ladder arrangement was different. All and all, an amazing treasure trove of a very under documented ship.

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Thanks Matt for your comments and confirming what I think I am seeing. I did see the two photos from the transport mixed in. I also noticed the reverse negatives and the flip, flopping ladders. It is interesting that I was looking at the same Chester photos today on Navsource and noted the different ladder pattern between the two ships as you mention. Are the engine room venting grills and structure between the hangers also different between the two ships? All something new to consider if modeling the Northampton. I have seen and may have a copy of your photo of the Chicago. This was after her damage at Savo Island as she was returning to the US for repairs. It looks like the big 02 level bridge wings were clipped on her too. Something to consider if modeling Chicago during this time period along with the 20 mm in the 03 bridge wings.


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