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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:49 am 
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Hello everybody,

for the interested modelers of Kriegsmarine light cruisers :

- Emden, Koln, Konigsberg, Karlsruhe, Leipzig and Nurnberg

Bye Antonio :thumbs_up_1:


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:49 pm 
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I have the Samek 1/700 Leipzig in my collection. Its an older build and rather clean looking with sparse detail.

Does anyone make the K-class in 1/700? The arrangement of the aft 15cm is really odd looking and didn't prove satisfactory in service, as I seem to recall.

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Hey folks :wave_1:

I see that this thread is far too small in comparison to the all the other threads, these ships deserve better!!

I was wondering if any of these light cruisers are avaliable in plastic/resin kits in 1/350 ?

I know that plans exists for Leipzig and Karlsruhe, but am not a seasoned scratchbuilder, even less in 1/350.

If anybody has a clue, i would be overjoyed to hear about it :jump_1:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:39 pm 
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The Samek 1/700 DKM CL Leipzig is in the foreground and the 10+ year later USS Miami CL-89 is in the background.

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It was the second resin kit I had ever built and I didn't even attempt to add much detail.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:49 pm 
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Seasick wrote:
I have the Samek 1/700 Leipzig in my collection. Its an older build and rather clean looking with sparse detail.

Does anyone make the K-class in 1/700? The arrangement of the aft 15cm is really odd looking and didn't prove satisfactory in service, as I seem to recall.



I have a 1/700 Samek Konigsberg - the kit represents it as built. I'm sure WSW do Karlsruhe and HP Models might do all 3.

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This is a bit of a long shot but did Leipzig have wooden decks?

The Samek kit does not depict the planking and I know that Konigsberg did not have wooden decks but other cruisers did. I suspect Samek might have got this wrong, unless anyone knows better.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:04 pm 
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Nürnberg does in these photos http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ ... hotos.html
profile morskie 58 shows Leipzig with wooden deck.


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Was the main armament carried by the Emden the same as that carried by the Kriegsmarine destroyers?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:38 pm 
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i would say no.
Emden 15 cm L/45 C/16 (5.9") (later replaced with C/36): 8
Z1 Leberecht Maas 12,7 cm L/45 C/34 : 5
Z23 15 cm L/48 C/36 (5,9"): 4 (5 since 1942)
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/index.html


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Thanks David. I should have been more specific - I meant the type and caliber of gun, not the number.

I have an HP Emden in the stash that I've been puttering around with while stuff on the Z-17 dries. I noticed that the main armament is depicted as a solid gunhouse, and not open in the back. If the gun houses on the DDs were the same, I was thiking of pirating them from a one of the new 700 scale German DD's and mounting them on Emden.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:55 pm 
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A good German book about the Light Cruisers has been published in english
Details about the ships are good, camouflage is also given

German Light Cruisers of World War II (Paperback)
By Gerhard Koop, Klaus- Peter Schmolke
Seaforth Publishing
Pages: 223
ISBN: 9781848321946
Published: 22nd July 2014

Photos in the German edition show them to have wooden decks.

Also Okretow Wojennych:
22 & 23 - Koenigsberg, Joeln & Karlsruhe
41 - Leipzig

Good plans/photos, but probably difficult to find


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Barnes and Noble shows it as a pre-order, being released this month.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:09 pm 
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for Emden fans for sale on evil bay no I'm not the seller
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Foto-Kriegsschi ... 486c5734dd


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Going back to the main armament question, I looked it up:

Emden had 5.9 inch guns

The Zerstörer 1936A "Narvik" and Zerstörer 1936A (Mob) classes had 5.9 inch guns. The Zerstörer 1936B went back to 5 inch guns that the earlier classes had.

Looking at photos, the gun houses look similar, enough so that I could probably pirate the guns from the Trumpeter 1936A kits and use them. Of course, I'd have to buy two kits and use up the all guns...kind of an expensive way to upgrade!

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These guns are apples and oranges, really.

If you're doing an early Emden, you could steal the secondary from a German capital of WWI. The shield and mount would be like those on Brummer and Bremse. There is an example in Scotland.
It is approx. 18 inches shorter than the Zerstorer gun. Also, it is stepped differently. Waaayyy differently. The breeches are different as well. A slender cylinder with horizontal wedge vs. a huge square breech with a vertical sliding wedge.

For the refitted version you could use the single mounts from either Spee or Scharnhorst. This weapon is approx. 40 inches longer than the Zerstorer gun. This barrel is readily available in brass.

Hope this is helpful. Might save you buying some zerstorers.

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That's good to know, thanks. The guns that come with the HP kit are solid blobs, so even the Zerstorer guns would look probably look "better", but this is an even better option:

GazzaS wrote:
For the refitted version you could use the single mounts from either Spee or Scharnhorst. This weapon is approx. 40 inches longer than the Zerstorer gun. This barrel is readily available in brass.


Emden (which is the late war version, BTW) is on the back burner (again), so I can think on this for awhile.

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