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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:53 am 
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The question of inter-war RN China Station colours on County Class cruisers seems to be a hardy perennial.The yellow upperworks and funnels idea is a myth. So is the buff funnels idea. The correct colours for the China Command scheme were white hull and grey (507B) upperworks and funnels. This scheme finished in the summer of 1935 after which the China Command ships painted to light grey (507C) overall.

The error has crept in over the years either because people are getting confused with the East Indies Command painting scheme where funnels, masts and spars (but not upperworks) were at times painted yellow, or with the colours of the gunboats of the Yangtse river flotilla which were white hull and upperworks and buff funnels.

The inter-war Royal Navy divided the world up into various commands. The China Command was headquartered at Hong Kong and covered things east and north of Singapore. The East Indies Command was headquartered in Ceylon and covered the Indian Ocean - see the map halfway down this page: https://www.naval-history.net/xDKWW2-3909-04RN.htm#4.2

Each of these commands painted their ships differently. As can be seen in the attached Admiralty Fleet Order (AFO) 3948 of 1919, China Station upperworks were grey at the start of the inter-war period.
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Subsequent painting AFOs all the way to the 1935 change to overall light grey 507C reconfirm this painting scheme. AFO 1658 of 1927 spelt out clearly that the grey of the China Station upperworks was 507B and this was also shown in the contemporary Rate Book.
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By way of confirmation that the ships of the China Command did paint as the Admiralty in London instructed, attached is a page from the inter-war Janes Fighting Ships 1935 edition. The earlier interwar editions say the same thing.
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Contemporary artefacts of inter-war RN China Station ships in UK museums and Royal Navy establishments show white hull and grey upperworks. You will find numerous watercolours showing this as well as some models and other sailors’ memorabilia. A few examples:

Here is a link to the builders’ model of HMS Cumberland as she was delivered to the RN by Vickers Armstrong ready for service on the China Station which where she went on first commissioning:
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collection ... 66003.html

Here is as link to a model in the National Maritime Museum made at the time (1931-1934) by a crewman on HMS Kent.
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collection ... 67440.html

If you want to paint a County with coloured funnels then you need to do one in the yellow (not buff) funnels, with white upperworks and hull, of the of the East Indies Station such as HMS Norfolk in 1937.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:31 am 
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Thanks again dick! I wish this could be posted as a sticky in the camo. section.


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Couple of points not mentioned by Dick.
The issue of incorrect reporting of colours is not helped by different sites, including one touched on earlier, which perpetuate the discrepancy by listing ships of the East Indies stn as being and wearing colours of the China Stn.
It is also worth noting that in the majority of cases, the images had at that time been taken using orthochromatic film which will render the yellow funnels as dark to extremely dark, more so than would be expected for 507B.


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Thanks Dick
I like the white and gray even better.
Just released 1/96 Exeter from the build table and the Kent sub class will take it's place. :woo_hoo:


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I have just pre-ordered Trumpeter 1/350 HMS Cornwall from Freetime Hobbies. My experience (HMS Exeter) is that pre-order preceeds postage by several months but is a very positive sign.

My father served on Cornwall throughout the was but was fortunate to be posted off just bedore she was lost.
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barry fleet wrote:
I have just pre-ordered Trumpeter 1/350 HMS Cornwall from Freetime Hobbies. My experience (HMS Exeter) is that pre-order preceeds postage by several months but is a very positive sign.

My father served on Cornwall throughout the was but was fortunate to be posted off just bedore she was lost.
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Late March is the ETA, at least in Japan: https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10585495

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Started cutting out bulkheads for 1/96 scale plug of the County Class Heavy Cruisers .

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that is a Kent class, sub class of the County class because of the torpedo bulges that the other 2 sub classes London & Dorst did not have.
https://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/kent_class.php3
https://www.world-war.co.uk/London/london_class.php3
https://www.world-war.co.uk/Dorset/dorset_class.php3


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DavidP wrote:
that is a Kent class, sub class of the County class because of the torpedo bulges that the other 2 sub classes London & Dorst did not have.

Yep. These are the lines for the London and Dorsetshire classes. Note the absence of the bulges, and the more vertical sides of the hull.
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Yes it is the Kent sub class. I call it HMAS Australia because she is my favorite of the Kents . Served in the Pacific with us yanks. Hope to due the London sub class later . The London and Norfolk sub class have the same hull dimensions. Are the hulls the same ?
Was it called the Norfolk or Dorsetshire sub class?


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Richard OMalley wrote:
Yes it is the Kent sub class. I call it HMAS Australia because she is my favorite of the Kents . Served in the Pacific with us yanks. Hope to due the London sub class later . The London and Norfolk sub class have the same hull dimensions. Are the hulls the same ?
Was it called the Norfolk or Dorsetshire sub class?

Yes, the hulls of the London an Dorsetshire classes were essentially the same. The main difference between the two sub classes were the main armament turrets, but to tell the difference you need to have a close look: the Mk. I turrets of the Kent and London classes had periscopes on the side of the turrets, while the Mk. II turrets of the Norfolk class had sighting ports in the front shield, between the gun barrels.

Norfolk was the lead ship in her sub class. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County-class_cruiser

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