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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:41 pm 
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The Combrig hull is actually longer than the WEM one! However, the COMBRIG one correctly has the bulges which were not fitted to the London subgroup. Use the WEM funnels (AUSTRALIA and CANBERRA had funnels which were 3 feet taller than the rest of the class). AUSTRALIA's superstructure (in the period represented by the kit) was very different to SHROPSHIRE's - better to retain SUSSEX's armament and superstructure, but move the part of the after superstructure which is above shelter deck level forward to just abaft the catapult, and the mainmast aft so that the tripod legs are just for'd of "X" turret. Light AA varied from SUSSEX's fit; by the end of her Chatham refit in June 1943, SHROPSHIRE had two eight-barrelled two-pounder mountings, seven twin 20mm and seven single 20mm. Her aircraft arrangements were removed during that refit, and the SW RDF Type 273 moved to the former catapult base.


Can't do your suggestion since I was considering to buy the WEM Sussex hull on one ad advertised on our forum's trading post section. It was just the WEM hull that is available not the whole kit.

In order to make a Shropshire, I thought I could merge that WEM Sussex hull with a Combrig Australia being advertised on another ad on the trading post section.

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In that case, some scratch-building is called for! SHROPSHIRE's shelter deck amidships was nearly the full width of the upper deck (just enough space for boats at upper deck level each side except where guns were fitted), twin 4" HA were at shelter deck level with gun crew shelters each side between the mountings, only a single crane on a circular mounting to starboard, completely different bridge and after superstructure, rectangular platforms for octuple pompoms, searchlight sponsons on after funnel, rearranged LA and HA DCT positions. As always, close study of photos is recommended! Examples at https://www.flickr.com/photos/16118167@ ... 495291478/ and https://www.flickr.com/photos/41311545@N05/6646538921.


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In that case, some scratch-building is called for! SHROPSHIRE's shelter deck amidships was nearly the full width of the upper deck (just enough space for boats at upper deck level each side except where guns were fitted), twin 4" HA were at shelter deck level with gun crew shelters each side between the mountings, only a single crane on a circular mounting to starboard, completely different bridge and after superstructure, rectangular platforms for octuple pompoms, searchlight sponsons on after funnel, rearranged LA and HA DCT positions. As always, close study of photos is recommended! Examples at https://www.flickr.com/photos/16118167@ ... 495291478/ and https://www.flickr.com/photos/41311545@N05/6646538921.


So I can't graft anything from the Combrig Australia kit?

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Funnels - if you shorten them; crane - if you're happy with the resin version; armament; DCTs; boats? - that's about all


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Funnels - if you shorten them; crane - if you're happy with the resin version; armament; DCTs; boats? - that's about all


Nothing from the Combrig Australia forward superstructure or bridge can be used? Even if I just partially scratch built the different Shropshire bridge?

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God these were beautiful ships. They are the quintessential Art-Deco Warship; looking like they were airbrushed onto a postcard.

I can't wait to get on to building one whenever (if) I get the IJN and USN stuff for the Solomons out of the way.

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The SUSSEX hull casting does not include any superstructure, whereas the AUSTRALIA equivalent includes all deckhouses up to shelter deck level (although the decks themselves are separate), so scratchbuilding of the SHROPSHIRE deckhouses (or removing and transferring the AUSTRALIA ones) would be required. I do not have accurate SHROPSHIRE plans, but all levels of AUSTRALIA's bridge in the Combrig kit (which differs considerably from her prewar appearance) are different to those of the SUSSEX kit. There are photos of the WEM kit parts at http://www.internetmodeler.com/2000/may ... sussex.htm for comparison with the Combrig kit's components


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Did either HMAS Australia or HMAS Canberra ever sport the buff and white "China Station" prewar colors that their RN sisters such as HMS Berwick once had?

On the Shipcraft book, County Class Cruisers, by Les Brown, it doesn't really say what was their prewar paint scheme on the profile histories of either cruiser on pp. 15-16 and 49-51.

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no "China Station" colors. http://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/canberra.php3


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Thanks David, that same source above also shows the same thing was true for HMAS Australia in the 20s and 30s in that she didn't seem to have ever sported "China Station" colors:

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There is a model of Kent at the IWM, done while the maker was serving aboard in China waters. Mid gray upper & White hull. I think the colors you are looking for were worn in the West Indies pre-war.
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There is a model of Kent at the IWM, done while the maker was serving aboard in China waters. Mid gray upper & White hull. I think the colors you are looking for were worn in the West Indies pre-war.
hth John


John,

To show you what "China Station" colours are, here are scans of the 1/700 Berwick model from Les Brown's Shipcraft: County Class Cruisers book. The model in the pics below is a Berwick converted from a Combrig Canberra kit.

I'm pretty certain, from reading this book as well as Raven's ship camo books that China Station refers to the prewar Far East/Asia/Eastern Fleet duty. I just find it puzzling that the RAN didn't adopt this "China Station" paint scheme in the 1930s, considering that Commonwealth navies at the time were supposed to maintain some form of commonality with the RN.

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To show you what "China Station" colours are, here are scans of the 1/700 Berwick model from Les Brown's Shipcraft: County Class Cruisers book. The model in the pics below is a Berwick converted from a Combrig Canberra kit.

I'm pretty certain, from reading this book as well as Raven's ship camo books that China Station refers to the prewar Far East/Asia/Eastern Fleet duty. I just find it puzzling that the RAN didn't adopt this "China Station" paint scheme in the 1930s, considering that Commonwealth navies at the time were supposed to maintain some form of commonality with the RN.
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I'm afraid that the references you are relying on are wrong.

China Station (other than river gunboats which had a different set of painting instructions) went to overall Mediterranean grey in 1935 but for over a decade before that were white hull grey upperworks.

It was the East Indies Station that from time to time inter-war had yellow funnels - the painting policy changed at least three times for that station and is a story in its own right.

Australia was not part of the China or East indies Stations and they were simply following instructions.

Here is an AFO from the era prior to the 1935 adoption of overall light grey on the China Station:


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Thanks for the feedback. I guess that rules out the possibility of painting my Combrig Australia kit in those East Indies colours.

Still, since Australia is one of the Kent sub-class members, how hard would it be to convert a Combrig Australia kit into HMS Cornwall, circa 1942 when she met her demise in the Indian Ocean?

Other than shortening the funnels and possibly deleting the 20mm tubs, what other major changes need to be made?

The Combrig Australia kit is supposed to depict her during the 1920s shortly after her commissioning, so I assume a lot of 1942-era AA mounts need to be placed.

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cornwall has same hanger that Suffolk has but Australia does not have.
http://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/cornwall.php3
http://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/australia.php3


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DavidP wrote:
cornwall has same hanger that Suffolk has but Australia does not have.
http://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/cornwall.php3


Hmm. It's going to take a fair bit of scratch work to recreate the hangar. Furthermore, there seems to be a huge gap in the superstructure between the hangar/after mast and the aft 8-inch turrets. In the Australia kit, the superstructure continues right up to just behind of the turrets.

On looking at the Raven camo books on the RN and comparing the sister ship's profiles, it seems Norfolk is closer to Australia when it comes to lacking a hangar, though she was of a different sub-class

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could use a Suffolk as it has the hanger but will have to raise the stern deck as it was cut down & redo the forward superstructure to match cornwall.
http://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/suffolk.php3
http://www.world-war.co.uk/Kent/cornwall.php3


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DavidP wrote:
will have to raise the stern deck of the Suffolk so that it is the same level as the rest of the deck.


David,

What if one converted a Combrig Australia kit into Berwick? I'm guessing it might be possible since a Combrig Canberra kit was converted into a 1930s Berwick as depicted in the picture below.

If Australia's stern deck is higher than the RN members of Kent sub-class, do I have to cut it down? Not sure if it's feasible in resin. Unless I don't need to do it at all as depicted below.

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Australia has the same deck level as the Berwick does so no need to cut the deck.


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