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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:45 pm 
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I agree with Neptune. I've looked extensively at the Kirovs and can find no evidence, even indirect, that a secondary hull sonar is mounted. The same applies for the intake scoops depicted in the Trumpeter kit. Admittedly, there is no definitive photo of the underside of the hull that I'm aware of but I've looked at indicators such as drydock hull support structures and I've manipulated photos to try to find evidence of either of those items and cannot. Until a definitive photo comes along that proves the issue one way or the other, my belief is the Kirovs do not mount secondary sonars or scoops. Take it for what it's worth!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:04 am 
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Bob, Without plans or photos it is reasonable to doubt. However, intake scoops for the condensers are pretty common. For example, the Clevelands had them back in the 40s. Because they were on the bottom of the hull there is no way you can tell from a photo of the ship in drydock that the scoops were there.

The alternative is to use pumps to force water through the condensers. This is less efficient.

The virtue of the scoops is that the faster the ship moves (forward) the more cooling water flows through the condensers. So increased coolant flow is automatic with increased speed and pumps are not needed. However, you still need coolant pumps for times when the ship is moving backwards.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:57 am 
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oops, got it. :doh_1: I have seen references to the other sonar as well. If it exists, perhaps an echo sounder or a dedicated underwater telephone?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:01 pm 
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Phil,

The Kirovs must have some sort of water intake. No question. I'm just saying that the very prominent scoops depicted in the Trumpeter kit have not only not been verified but the sketchy circumstantial evidence suggests they do not exist as depicted. There may well be a flush-hull V-inlet or some other type of scoop.

If the scoops existed in the shape and location depicted on the kit, a few of the photos I have should show some hint of them and they don't. Of course, they could by an althernate, less obvious shape or they could be located at the very bottom where no photo documentation exists.

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That would be a very strange place since then they are very prone to grounding and would scoop up a lot of dirt when you get into shallow waters.
The scoop on my ship at the moment is on the bottom, but as you mentioned it, flush with the bottom and smoothly shaped to go aft internally and to the condenser. This is likely to be the scoop of the Kirov as well, although it's a bit strange that they opt for very obvious scoops on their subs, but mount flush ones on their surface ships. I guess that's where Trumpeter took a guess.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:25 am 
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Sharing here some 1:200 drawings for the Russian Kirov class nuclear-powered cruiser Peter the Great. Chinese site but the plans (25 pages) are in Russian. High quality pdf. Apologies if they have been posted before.

http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?uk=2672290181&shareid=2750514366&fid=408578575205883

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:43 am 
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Hi guys

I still have my 1/350 Pyotr Velikiy to start, I have added 6 sets of Orange Hobby aftermarket Kashtan's, some pics now of the rear part of the main deck that show in a very dark / black colour. And spare Cross Sword for some yet to fit SA-N-9 forward. Also have the Gold Medal Models Etch as I believe it covers the last ship (Velikiy) with its etch components & some Master Model barrels.

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my sons wants us to have a group build... they want a Russian fleet to challenge my USN :)
so, i'm thinking of purchasing the following in 1/700 scale:
1. Dragon7074 or Trumpeter05710 Kirov
2. Dragon7048 Sovremenny
3. Trumpeter05720 Slava

i also want to make the Udaloy and the Kashin, but PitRoad/SkyWave, GalaxyToy, and Combrig models are hard to find here in "Pinas"... hoping i can order from my fave hobby shop/s...

question: any big difference (or error) in the make of Dragon and Trumpeter for the Kirov?

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Hi,

A couple of questions regarding the Ship Boats / RHIB aboard the Russian Slava Cruisers Project 1164, since I'm "refitting" my 1/700 Trumpeter (ref 05721) Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag (pennant number 011).


1 - What are the colours of the two Ship Boats (not sure about the correct designation)?

2 - Shouldn't I replace one of the Ship Boats with a RHIB?



Review of this model available here:
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... eview.html


The refit I have in mind will include the addition of the following PhotoEtched items:

• Fwd Mast (Top): MR-700/710M (Top Steer) 3D air search radar
• Fwd Mast (Front): Palm Front Door-C - Radar MR-1164 Argon Front Door-C
• Fwd Mast (Front): Palm Frond (1x) - Radar MR-212 Nyada - surface search radar
• Fwd Mast Yard Arms (Sides) : Palm Frond (2x) - Radar MR-212 Nyada - surface search radar
• Aft Mast (Top): MR-800 Voskhod (Top Pair) 3D early warning radar
• Rails,
• Whip Antennas


Not sure if I should create a specific topic/thread for this refit....


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:47 pm 
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Hi,

Two more questions about the Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag Project 1164:

3 - What's the colour of the helipad: Green or red brick?

4 - What's the position/angle of the anchors when they are not is use?



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:07 pm 
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Helodeck: red in 1995 , red in 2002, green in 2004, green in 2011.

Anchors: http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/02/169/02169047.jpg

And check out her page on Navsource.narod.ru: http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/02/171/index.html

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:46 am 
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Timmy C wrote:
Helodeck: red in 1995 , red in 2002, green in 2004, green in 2011.

Anchors: http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/02/169/02169047.jpg

And check out her page on Navsource.narod.ru: http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/02/171/index.html



Hi Timmy,

Thanks a lot for the URL sent. Fantastic photos!
I need yo paint the helipad with the green colour!

Also the photo with the anchor clarifies my doubt. The anchor is rusty and creates a contrast with the (black) background.
All photos I have seen, the anchor is also black, and for this reason is difficult to see the position of the anchor.

Regarding my question nº1 and nº2, I managed to find a photo (by Vladimir Yakubov) of the Guided Missile Cruiser Varyag in San Francisco on June 2010.
It shows the colour of the ship boat, but also shows a "hidden" RHIB close the FWD funnels, located on the right side of the boom crane.
Not sure if there is (or not) a 2nd RHIB on the left side of the boom crane.....

I would not be surprised if a warship of this size could have 2x RHIB's onboard....

Can you spot the RHIB?
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The ship boat is painted white, except the hull bellow the water line and the deck that seems to be green.


Link with fantastic photos of the Guided Missile Cruiser Varyag in San Francisco on June 2010 by Vladimir Yakubov:
http://svsm.org/gallery/varyag?page=1


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:08 pm 
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Oh, check out these photos during Varyag's visit to Vancouver 2011 - some were taken by friends for me, others are from Flickr or news sources:
http://imgur.com/a/XDau7
http://imgur.com/a/5wdN1

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:18 am 
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Timmy C wrote:
Oh, check out these photos during Varyag's visit to Vancouver 2011 - some were taken by friends for me, others are from Flickr or news sources:
http://imgur.com/a/XDau7
http://imgur.com/a/5wdN1



Hi Timmy,

very detailed photos on the link sent, one of which is clearly visible the RHIB (although is covered) as well as the colours of the starboard ShipBoat.
http://i.imgur.com/jDWaj.jpg

Indeed very useful links!


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Guy's I've had a look through this thread but not seen what I'm after although I may have missed it but can anyone confirm the hanger interior colour, deck, deck head and walls. I'm building the Trumpeter 1/350 Moskva and would like to show the hanger open.

Question two, what's the best acrylic paint match to the deck 'red' colour NOT Tamiya or Gunze

Thanks for any help.

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I've gone through my library of Slava class photos and I don't have any that show the hangar open. The best I can offer is that there are several photos of the Kirov class hangar interior and they show white walls. Odds are pretty good that the Slava class is the same. Sorry I can't be of more help.

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Thanks Bob that was going to be my best guess, I have a photo of a Kirov hanger so that will help.

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Littorio wrote:
Guy's I've had a look through this thread but not seen what I'm after although I may have missed it but can anyone confirm the hanger interior colour, deck, deck head and walls. I'm building the Trumpeter 1/350 Moskva and would like to show the hanger open.

Question two, what's the best acrylic paint match to the deck 'red' colour NOT Tamiya or Gunze

Thanks for any help.


For your question 2, my trumpeter 1/700 Moskva I built, I used floquil railroad colors oxide red (F110186) for the upper decking and same brand weathered black (F110017) for the main decking. I would upload a photo of the ship, but it won't let me from my phone. Hopefully that helps and is to your preference

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In case anyone was curious, the recently-released 1/700 Peter the Great from Revell is the Dragon molds: https://www.revell.de/produkte/modellba ... 05151.html

The great big circle cutout in the bottom of the upper hull is the biggest giveaway.

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Littorio wrote:
Guy's I've had a look through this thread but not seen what I'm after although I may have missed it but can anyone confirm the hanger interior colour, deck, deck head and walls. I'm building the Trumpeter 1/350 Moskva and would like to show the hanger open.


A little late, but either cream or grey.

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