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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 2:33 pm 
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Don't you mean folded back to the rear, Roberto?

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Nope, I meant removed and stowed above the planes, the hangar is two decks high.

Photo on page 46 of Steve Wiper's excellent Prinz Eugen Warship Pictorial, or here...

https://ar.pinterest.com/pin/809873945467631651

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The folded width of the Ar196, with wings pivoted aft and "twisted", was not much wider than the span of its tailplane. See, for example, https://www.flickr.com/photos/kruegerrossi/16073516372/, which appears to have been taken in Prinz Eugen's hangar. Certainly an AR196 coded "T3+CH" was carried by that ship.

I believe the wingtip visible in the photo in the Warship Pictorial publication is a spare wing stowed under the hangar roof; the port wing of the lower aircraft visible is just visible in its folded position.


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The folded width of the Ar196, with wings pivoted aft and "twisted", was not much wider than the span of its tailplane. See, for example, https://www.flickr.com/photos/kruegerrossi/16073516372/, which appears to have been taken in Prinz Eugen's hangar. Certainly an AR196 coded "T3+CH" was carried by that ship.
I believe the wingtip visible in the photo in the Warship Pictorial publication is a spare wing stowed under the hangar roof; the port wing of the lower aircraft visible is just visible in its folded position.


You may be right and it may just have been a case of replacing a damaged wing in the photo.
I am going to try the Revell Bismarck and the Tamiya Tirpitz Arados for size, now that I think of it, the Bismarck's side hangars were also quite narrow.

More research is required, but Trumpeter over or undersizing a plane? Never, just look at the EH-101 in their Type 45 DDG... :heh:

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Further to the matter of PRINZ EUGEN's Ar 196 having folding wings. There is a photograph in Profile Warship No 6 by one of her former gunnery officers Paul Schmalenbach, Fregattenkapitän a.D, of one of the aircraft suspended from the crane WITH WINGS FOLDED. There is also another image on the same page of an Ar 196 sitting above and clear of the hangar opening, without wings. This image can be found elsewhere on the Net. I cannot imagine the Germans not shipping at least one of the aircraft onboard without its wings attached and hence, folded. I would not have fancied trying to attach wings to an aircraft on its catapult in any kind of seaway. It is possible that the aircraft shown without wings may have been the "spare" usually stowed in the after end of the hangar, this image may have been the subject of an evolution about which we know nothing.

For further interest, there is also a silhouette sketch of the aircraft stowage arrangements in Schmalenbach's Profile and he also describes how the hangar roof operated in the ship.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:45 am 
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A photo of an Ar196 being stowed in one of Bismarck's hangars appears at https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXDI07xWAAE ... me=900x900


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Thank you TJS. Methinks the matter is now resolved.

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Thank you TJS. Methinks the matter is now resolved.
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I agree, I tested one of Revell's Bismarck Ar-196 in the Trumpy prinz Eugen hangar and it fits perfectly.

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I came across this book :

https://www.amazon.com/Cruiser-Admiral- ... 159&sr=1-5

It is a print-on-demand book. Has anybody seen it or bought it? Is is any good?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 12:18 pm 
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81542 wrote:
Further to the matter of PRINZ EUGEN's Ar 196 having folding wings. There is a photograph in Profile Warship No 6 by one of her former gunnery officers Paul Schmalenbach, Fregattenkapitän a.D, of one of the aircraft suspended from the crane WITH WINGS FOLDED. There is also another image on the same page of an Ar 196 sitting above and clear of the hangar opening, without wings. This image can be found elsewhere on the Net. I cannot imagine the Germans not shipping at least one of the aircraft onboard without its wings attached and hence, folded. I would not have fancied trying to attach wings to an aircraft on its catapult in any kind of seaway. It is possible that the aircraft shown without wings may have been the "spare" usually stowed in the after end of the hangar, this image may have been the subject of an evolution about which we know nothing.

For further interest, there is also a silhouette sketch of the aircraft stowage arrangements in Schmalenbach's Profile and he also describes how the hangar roof operated in the ship.

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The solution lies on the wing swivel mechanism, the swiveljoint is not at the corner of the wing, but maybe 1/4 from the edge and there's a folding piece of wing. The flaps on the wing are in down position, which also gives more room. This arrangement moves the wing closer to fuselage.

You can see the folding flap resting on top of the wing (lighter colour).


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2023 3:39 pm 
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My Arado 196B to 1:32 Revell, wings details:

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This one is the most complete and the reference with its 406 pages...

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I found this picture, the uploaded claims it was shot with original color AGFA film


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"USS" Prinz Eugen.

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I wonder if anyone can confirm the position of flag(s) of PE when sailing? I see many modellers and decall instructions placing a fairly big flag on a line from the main the mast, but I can't find any pictures corroborating this. All pictures where I can spot a flag it's on a line from the mast sitting on top of the aft range finder.


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