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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:43 pm 
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First, a very interesting followup from Mucho on the nature of those bays -

"I took a look in the area this Monday morning, Dan,

/"I have to say, Mucho, yours was an unexpected answer. I would have
thought that the torps would be hosed down. I mean, there's no such semi
enclosed facility on the DDs. Also, was this same structure aboard the
follow-on Aoba/Furutaka? BR, Dan/"

Maybe there´re 2 types of questions/answers envolved in here.

■ I think it´s not abt merely _hosing dow_n the torp, IJN flottilla
leaders(cruisers) rather used _´steam vapour cleane_r´= *スチーム洗浄器*
(=Steam Senjyoki) for the washing. This may be accounting for they
need (steam)washing area or tray like we see on Kako/Furutaka. They used
to clean stains from oil around warhead/fuse gear, i thought. As to
partiular reasons of this(of removing oily stains) i don´t have clearer
idea abt.why, don´t even rememer if USNTMJ file explains it or not, or
simply must have forgotten full contents of a homeland torp discussion
some 10 yeas ago.

■ Abt. _the semi enclosed facility_ with mentioned functions of
cleaning & adjusting torps, DDs apparently don´t have such. I know
that´s why their leader ships(cruisers) undertake these jobs, giving
adjusted & washed torps to their DDs. IJN-termwise it´s called
Kyodo-kan(Tactical Torp.Battle Guide Ship=*教導艦*)-I had to have it
translated as such temporarily,as it seemingly doesn´t exist in English
words relating to WW2 torpedoes)

Abt._the semi enclose area_ there are two kanji letters written
as*Chosei-sho*(adjusting) and *Senjyo-sho*(washing) as well as the
washing tray layer made of**cement. I fear the Hasegawa scale model co.
must have failed to recognize some kanji and katakana letters on the
Kako&Furutaka plan by the eyes, maybe becuz of poor quality of the plan.

■ As 2 Aoba class cruisers can also be deployed as /Kyodo-kan/ to
lead,provide maintenance and concentrate torp power of DDs under
it´s(their) command during battles,Aobas ought to have exactly the same
facility of steam vapour cleaning & adjusting. So far I´ve been
working fairly intensely to find out_layout of cruiser Aoba/Kinugasa_, I
came to know where the washing tray in question is located on
her(Kinugasa,too)pr attached pic of the model,they also should have a
semi enclosed type of maintenance area somewhere after the root of the
aft mast,probably on the center deck floor beneath the aircraft deck,
between the two torp.mounts.(I had one native IJN researcher dispatched
to KURE in the hope of finding official materials, only if any ,and by
chance) Am crossin´ my fingers to see if certain kind of qualified guess
one day may come true or not. 

Hoping this will suffice for the moment"


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 10:49 pm 
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Any idea where the cable was placed? Was it just below the deck -as Takao type?


Unfortunately, there are no photos of Kako to illuminate the placement of her degaussing cable. However, there are several photos of her sister Furutaka. All 4 ships of CruDiv 6 were on manuevers together in October, 1941 and several photos were taken from Kako:


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Since they went under recontruction prety the same time (Kako end of 1937, Furutaka 1939) I believe they recieved the same deg cables.

On the stern superstrc was the HA director 91 Shiki type 146 (until '36) or new type shielding installed ?
From pictures I can see flat top. Looks like old version - or I'm completelly wrong and this is not HA 91 ?

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A clarification about nomenclature: Modernized FCS directors for both surface (low angle) and AA (high angle) were both termed Type 94. That said, LaCroix and Welles states that new Type 94 directors were installed fore and aft (auxilliary) for surface fire control. Flat topped in their illustration. Forward one has a 6m rangefinder.


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Thank you Dan :thumbs_up_1:

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There are 4 great builds of the entire class of ships in the new Model Art #50 magazine Battle of Savo Island . All 4 are in their 1942 fits with Aoba and Kako being super detailed, while Kinugasa and Furutaka just more or less being built, " Out of Box. There are also plans in 1/700 of all 4 ships in their 1942 arrangements. FYI.




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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:06 pm 
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Can't wait to get mine. thx.


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Hello Friends,
based to informations in this thread I rebuilt Kako midship parts:

Midship part from Hasegawa box:

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and that how it will be looking

it's just assembled only - not finally cleaned and set. sorry for "mess" :cool_1:

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Dan, Mucho - thanks a lot for valuable info! :thanks:
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:54 pm 
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Atma wrote:
As a bonus:

In the red cirlce there is an enlarged spotting window for the rangefinder from IJN Aoba taken 1946. Hasegawa's IJN Kinugasa shall not have enlarged spotting windows for her 2# and 3# turret neither an early war IJN Aoba(they must be the same as the IJN Furutaka/IJN Kako' s rangefinders) this modification only occured sometime at mid or late 1943 by this time only IJN Aoba was "alive".


Nothing surprising since i sort of know it already. :smallsmile: What will perhaps be a bit more interesting will be,the type of the rangefinder is actually different i.e.between nr. 1 R/F and nr. 2 R/F.for AOBA in this pic ,and other pics taken pic of after the War.

And I love to mean, this also causes difference visually,too. Hope you will notice it one day,when i took the liberty of pointing this out today.

As you might know, manufacturers are far behind in general reseaches.
They don´t care much about erroneousnesses in their models as products,as long as they sell as planned.

Such will be the life.lol



cheers,


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 4:00 pm 
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blacman wrote:
Hello Friends,
based to informations in this thread I rebuilt Kako midship parts:

Midship part from Hasegawa box:

and that how it will be looking

it's just assembled only - not finally cleaned and set. sorry for "mess" :cool_1:

Dan, Mucho - thanks a lot for valuable info! :thanks:
Greg


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It´s a splendid prep work! And if you one day would feel like repairing or trying again,Dan and I would like to be contacted,hopefully sooner or later.

cheers,


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:20 pm 
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Vladi (or moderator), as you started this thread, you have edit functionality. May I suggest changing the tile to Furutaka/Kako class fans so as to avoid overlap with the new Aoba/Kinugasa fan thread. Thx.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:46 am 
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Done :)


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The modeler of this Hasegawa Furutaka 1/ 700 didn´t use PE parts except for ladders.
I find his(= Fune-Oyaji) modeling tech. marvellous and excellent. Smaller parts look even much better than by PE parts.

http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/takosuke_in_th ... 51950&no=7
His Yahoo blog: http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/takosuke_in_th ... 51950&no=7

/ M.Sasaki


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It's a fantastic build. I believe it was featured in the recent Model Graphix Navy Ysrd vol. #25.


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Does anyone have some large scale (Larger than the ones in Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War) plans of Kako and Furutaka in their initial 6 turret fit? I'm looking for something that would be useful in sratch-building a model of said ship.


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Arael wrote:
Does anyone have some large scale (Larger than the ones in Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War) plans of Kako and Furutaka in their initial 6 turret fit? I'm looking for something that would be useful in sratch-building a model of said ship.


for Arael,
I have not seen or heard of the existence of the drawing yet. If I ever were to build this class cruiser with 6 turrets, I would have to make a good deal of re-study into existing materials.

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in model art 23 it is a good drawing in 1:700 of furutaka 1926 with lot of details. it is also a article (in japanese) with the foto of the making a scratch model.
in gakken 44 they are various foto of the two ships with 6 turret. they are also some on board foto for the details.
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model art 23 it is a good drawing in 1:700 of furutaka 1926 with lot of details. it is also a article (in japanese) with the foto of the making a scratch model.
in gakken 44 they are various foto of the two ships with 6 turret. they are also some on board foto for the details.
ciao

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I think Arael already knows about MA&Gakken info,he is searching for more detailed plan to fx 1/200 scale model.

For this purpose their drawings by the 1/700 MA researcher will be absolutely not sufficient enough.
I personally know the illustrator;he must know that he was drawing those class cruisers on quite a limited condition.

Though, Kako/Furuttaka drawings have much less problem in presenting of accuracies i lines and angles.
But details of Kako/Furutaka are missing on 1/700 scale drawings.
I bet this could be one of the reasons why kitmodel companies are not able to produce them on 1/350.

Still,I must say Aoba/Kinugasa drawings on MA are filled with errouneousnesses & incorrectnesses here and there.
Only time and patience in one´s research and quest will do,I hope.


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peppe wrote:
in model art 23 it is a good drawing in 1:700 of furutaka 1926 with lot of details. it is also a article (in japanese) with the foto of the making a scratch model.
in gakken 44 they are various foto of the two ships with 6 turret. they are also some on board foto for the details.
ciao peppe


I went ahead and picked up that magazine, as well as a Maru Special on the Furutaka class. I'm also thinking of getting Miyukikai's 1/200 Furutaka plans then just trying to figure out where to go from there. As long as I can get the shape correct I can always update and put more detail onto the model later.


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I went ahead and picked up that magazine, as well as a Maru Special on the Furutaka class. I'm also thinking of getting Miyukikai's 1/200 Furutaka plans then just trying to figure out where to go from there. As long as I can get the shape correct I can always update and put more detail onto the model later.

uhmm,I simply wonder if miyukikai can manage to make it (the modernized version)on 1/200. He has had F´taka/Kako on his future plan list since 2004-7, iirc,but other ambitous folk might be able to do it.


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