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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 8:59 pm 
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Mutsuo Sasaki wrote:
I went ahead and picked up that magazine, as well as a Maru Special on the Furutaka class. I'm also thinking of getting Miyukikai's 1/200 Furutaka plans then just trying to figure out where to go from there. As long as I can get the shape correct I can always update and put more detail onto the model later.

uhmm,I simply wonder if miyukikai can manage to make it (the modernized version)on 1/200. He has had F´taka/Kako on his future plan list since 2004-7, iirc,but other ambitous folk might be able to do it.


His website mentions that he has plans for Furutaka circa 1941 in 1/200 scale for sale. The plans are from after the ship was modernized to be more similar to the Aoba class, but I believe that I can use his plans to fill in the blanks of the 1/700 scale plans from the Model Art magazine and "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War". Of course it would be a lot more helpful if someone had access to Japanese Navy archives to see if there's any plans still lying around for Furutaka and Kako's initial fit, but I think that's a bit too much to hope for.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:05 am 
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Mutsuo Sasaki wrote:
I went ahead and picked up that magazine, as well as a Maru Special on the Furutaka class. I'm also thinking of getting Miyukikai's 1/200 Furutaka plans then just trying to figure out where to go from there. As long as I can get the shape correct I can always update and put more detail onto the model later.

uhmm,I simply wonder if miyukikai can manage to make it (the modernized version)on 1/200. He has had F´taka/Kako on his future plan list since 2004-7, iirc,but other ambitous folk might be able to do it.


His website mentions that he has plans for Furutaka circa 1941 in 1/200 scale for sale. The plans are from after the ship was modernized to be more similar to the Aoba class, but I believe that I can use his plans to fill in the blanks of the 1/700 scale plans from the Model Art magazine and "Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War". Of course it would be a lot more helpful if someone had access to Japanese Navy archives to see if there's any plans still lying around for Furutaka and Kako's initial fit, but I think that's a bit too much to hope for.

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i must say his future researches into both Kako and Aoba class cruisers are in a total stalemate. Besides, he´s not interested in the earlier version of those cruisers. I had received a mail from you,but i was not able to relpy due to busyness in other things since August.my apology.
Miyuki-kai used to ask me when he wanted to start something new, but the bilateral connection had been disrupted between us,of some reason or other since late 2012.
So there´s a fat chance from his side.

For the time being i´m deeply involved in warplanes matters, and have almost no time for ships, sorry.
Mutsuo S.


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Okay, I started working on my ship. I picked up Profile Morskie's Furutaka plans and made up some plans of my own by photoshopping together the side views from the magazine along with the frames and hull form diagrams from Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War. Problem is, the hull forms from Profile Morskie and Japanese Cruisers are slightly different in the deck undulation. Now keep in mind that I had to blow up the diagrams from Japanese Cruisers by about 400% to reach 1/144 scale, so it's possible that the diagram may have been warped when I resized it. In your opinions, which ones should I use? Profile Morskie's or the ones from Japanese Cruisers?

This is the one from Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War
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These are the ones from Profile Morskie
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Now I know that the fit I'm building did not have those large bulges showing on Morskie's plans, so I will have to modify those portions. The main concern is the deck lines.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:48 pm 
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Arael wrote:
Okay, I started working on my ship. I picked up Profile Morskie's Furutaka plans and made up some plans of my own by photoshopping together the side views from the magazine along with the frames and hull form diagrams from Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War. Problem is, the hull forms from Profile Morskie and Japanese Cruisers are slightly different in the deck undulation. Now keep in mind that I had to blow up the diagrams from Japanese Cruisers by about 400% to reach 1/144 scale, so it's possible that the diagram may have been warped when I resized it. In your opinions, which ones should I use? Profile Morskie's or the ones from Japanese Cruisers?

This is the one from Japanese Cruisers of the Pacific War
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These are the ones from Profile Morskie
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Now I know that the fit I'm building did not have those large bulges showing on Morskie's plans, so I will have to modify those portions. The main concern is the deck lines.


I would suggest comparing Drawing 2.4 to Drawing 6.14 in Lacroix and Wells. My conclusion from comparing these two single hull profile drawings of Furutaka is that the Profile Morskie hull profiles are of the Furutaka following the 1939 modernization, which is no longer in the configuration you intend to model. The Lacroix and Wells profiles are for the Furutaka as originally constructed. Stay tuned, and some of the real experts may chime in... The modernization increased the maximum beam from 16.5m to 16.9m, which doesn't sound like all that much, but is probably also consistent with the Profile Morskie drawings being of a modernized Furutaka.

The main deck lines do not appear to have been significantly changed in the modernization, and the two sets of profiles look to be fairly similar in that regard (there may be some distortion during scanning, copying, printing...)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:55 pm 
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These are two of my favorite pictures of the Kako and Furutaka in their original configuration.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:28 pm 
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I don't know enough to comment further than David's already astute observations. I think Mucho needs to wade in here.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:58 pm 
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yea,the second centerline drawing are for the 2nd modernization.
Size of the bulge is clearly seeable for Kako and Aoba class respectivley on this,too.
DavidK, pls advise me of your mailaddress,so i can transmit it in a higher rez together with other gents replying here.

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Is there any consensus on the most comprehensive source for the layouts of these classes any any particular time? It seems this thread is a good starting point, but with the Photoshack issues, I'm guessing most supporting images are now gone.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:38 am 
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Well, Gakken #44 and Model Art Ship Modeling Special #23 are pretty good references, as are some of the Maru Specials. At one time, there was a website devoted to ship illustrations similar to what is seen on Shipbucket.com that had a pretty comprehensive set of illustrations for all the sisters in their progressive fits. It seemed really accurate. Not on the Shipbucket.com site now, from what I can see.


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Dan's two suggestions both have lots of pictures. I have both on my book shelf. 44 has some nice Aoba drawings.

Another reference is Kagero Press's Super Drawings in 3D for the Heavy Cruiser Aoba by Waldemar Goralski and Miroslaw Skwiot. It has some really big drawings folded up inside at 1/350 scale in addition to being in English (for those of us who don't read any Japanese). (If you want one of these and can't find it on-line somewhere, let me know. I think I have two.)

As Dan did, I will respond here for both the Furutaka/Kako and the Aoba/Kinugasa requests.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:24 am 
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Thank you, Dan K and DavidK, for your replies. I checked my references and I have all the ones suggested. My concern was with the comments that Mucho had posted which seemed to have utter disdain for everything extant on the subject. I also wonder how his large-scale project is progressing.

I'd like to update the YMW 1/350 kit, but I'll have to redraw the brass and find replacements for the metal parts since the molds for those did not survive. Do either of you know of any problem areas that have been reported by builders of this kit? I'm going to try wading through this thread this evening to see if I can find anything.


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It's been a while since Mucho posted, and I haven;t been in touch with him in the longest time. His 1/100 Furutaka, as featured in the Gakken volume, remains the best single reference model I know of.

You might want to PM Bob LaPadura to see if he has any thoughts on it. He built a magnificient version of the YMK kit, though it might be 10-15 years ago.


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