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heres the full layout mid and aft

So are you saying my red lines are the main deck layout? which I guess would be correct as the trapezoid type shape in the rear would be mount 5

and so the green lines would be the main deck superstructure with the red lines being part of the main deck layout. and blue being various other elevations.

I know as best i could follow the outlines the green would be roughly the main superstructure due to the fact the gap in the middle for the loading crane

ok heres what I came up with. I am trying to get the main deck layout going so I can get it sent off for laser cutting

You need to blow-up the files and try to read the notes. Some of the red lines you have marked are simply the lifeline locations.

The Green line looks like the superstructure deck to me. However, the deckhouse structure isn't the same as the superstructure deck. Generally the deck overhung the deckhouse.

ok lost me whats a deckhouse lol im new to a lot of terminology. and I still have to figure out that loading crane area as if theres a crane there the walls wont be like they are there or the crane wouldnt fit.

rick I think I found a good drawing. I went through all bazillion files again trying to find something better. folder 5541-5 pic 225 really clear layout of the main deck superstructure

Yes those drawings will work, they have been declutterd. I think I remember seeing these, but I always refer to the more detailed drawings we have been discussing before when I'm looking for something. The dashed lines show where the superstructure deck overhangs the deckhouse.

Hallo all, I build scale model kit from Revell in 1/144. I don´t know, how I do I make leather upholstery on the end of the barrel of gun. I´m going to put photo of my Fletcher here, but it isn´t finish. All models are here are very good and I like. I am sory for my English, however I am 15 years old and I am from Czech. Please advice about leather upholstery to my E-mail TomHlach @ seznam.cz or here. Thank.

ok heres the updated superstructure based on the clear views. i didnt think there was a gap between the front section where mount 2 sits and the middle superstructure but i guess there is unless im misreading the blueprints.

Yes, there is a cross-deck passage on the main deck behind the bridge. Between the aft deckhouse and the midships deckhouse, there was a 5-in practice loader.

ok thanks. I knew theres a loader aft wasnt sure on fore

Rick or anyone.

I have started my first Fletcher in 1/700 USS. Heywood Edwards DD-663 on shore bombardment duty at Peleliu 1944. She will be in MS32/18D. but i have a question /problem on top looking down it shows the torp tubes and almost everything on top in 20b except a corner of the starboard front gun mount and part of the top of the bridge wing a pice of the port side structure in front of the gun mount and the port side life boat and part of the aft 20mm heart. Am i seeing that correct and paint accordingly or should i paint the tubes in the 5l and black like the sides?? Same with the Life boats. Im lost even though it's only my 3rd ship I want to do good. Also a side note I have been constatly ooking for some good pics of edwards and come up short but afew but the gun config i have made out is to be.
5"
5"
twin 40's P/S
TT
twin 40's P/S
2 20's P/S
TT
5"
twin 40 on top
5"
5"
3 20's in Heart ring

http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/ ... DD-445.jpg

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1/350 USS. Watts DD-567

I'm not a Camo expert, I don't know one dazzle scheme from another. But, I think the pattern shown on Tracy's website is your guide for the decks and such surfaces ... mostly Deck Blue and some 5-O. I have images of HEYWOOD EDWARDS (DD-663) as she was completed at Boston on 5 April 1944, but none overhead. I don't know if her camo scheme was modified or changed once she got to the Pacific. I have a couple of other (radars censored but the rest of the ship shows fairly well) images without specific dates while she is in dazzle.

E-Mail/PM me off-line and I can send you some images. Posting full length images likely wouldn't help much.

Rick

What color should the Blast bags be, they all look the same color but dont know what color and i cant find a good picture.

Eugene

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1/350 USS. Claxton DD-571
1/350 USS. Watts DD-567

I think they are Navy Blue. This has been discussed before and I can't remember what was said. But the exact "shade" is unknown to me in that being painted or dyed canvas, the texture would make it look slightly different than the ship's paint and likely would "fad or chip" with use. Personally, I wouldn't get too excited about trying to match a specific color as being the right one. If you will note on the last image I sent you (exact date unknown) it appears that the HEYWOOD EDWARDS crew replaced the original Blast Bag on 52 mount with plain canvas ... no dye or paint. The USN tried a lot of different "Blast Bag" designs and all of the ones with canvas had problems in not being destroyed in operation and needed to be replaced frequently.

The same would apply to canvas coverings for railings ... try to match the camo in that area (my guess is they would paint them), but the shade would be a little different.

Ok last ? guys, the turret roof colors, I have seen deck Blue I have seen a gray color and i have seen the camo pattern on top. what would be best for a fletch in 32/18d in 1944.

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In Port: Building
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1/350 USS. Jenkins DD-447. 50%
In the Yard: Planned
1/350 USS. Claxton DD-571
1/350 USS. Watts DD-567

I have 32/18d for the North Carolina but not a Fletcher.
On the NC, the pattern was carried horizontally over everything.

I'l go looking but if Tracy hasn't found it, I doubt that I will.

CORRECTION!!! Found 32v11/18d for DD445 Class


Stbd- Photo #: 80-G-156815

Camouflage Measure 32v11, Design 18D



Port- Photo #: 80-G-156814

Camouflage Measure 32v11, Design 18D

It looks like from the Pattern you linked to on Tracy's website, that the 5-in mount tops were all to be painted with Deck Blue, except for mount 51 ... but in the photo I posted that mount had a "standard" Deck Blue pattern as well. I can't tell from the photo what the roof of Mount 52 was painted.

I should have thought of this before, I looked in Lee Johnson's book on DAZZLE CAMO for FLETCHERS ... only two other FLETCHERS had this same scheme ... FOOTE (DD-511) and LUCE (DD-522). I have sent you a copy of overhead photos of these two ships.

Oh by the way. Lee has an UNCENSORED version of the censored undated HEYWOOD EDWARDS photo I sent. His version was dated 17 January 1945 and she is alongside MAKIN ISLAND (CVE-93).

Thank you so much your help is invaluable, I will post pics here in a day or 2.

Euge

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In Port: Building
1/350 USS. Conway DD-507
1/350 USS. Jenkins DD-447. 50%
In the Yard: Planned
1/350 USS. Claxton DD-571
1/350 USS. Watts DD-567

You are welcome ... I'm not even a camo expert ... one dazzle scheme looks like another to me. I never have been a fan of the dazzle camo ... I still think it was like painting a "bullseye" for Kamikaze pilots ... so I don't study them until I'm trying to ID/date a photo.

Does anyone have any photos of the lowered 40mm mount between 53 & 54 particually if it is the USS Strong or a Bath ship of the same batch? I need to particually know how the director was mounted.

Thanks in advance!