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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 10:02 am 
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I'm beginning to doubt that the posts are for loading the missiles. As noted, the posts are not at a useful height for loading unless they simply provide attachment points for additional framework. Here's a photo of an SS-N-22 being loaded on a Tarantul III missile boat. As you can see, the framework seems to have no deck connection. True, this is not a Udaloy, so maybe the loading mechanism is different but I suspect not.

As you can see in the photo, the loading framework seems to be supported by an overhead crane rather than resting on the deck.

On the other hand, the Sovremenny class, which also has SS-N-22 missiles, has similar rows of posts, though of a slightly different, more flattened, shape, in front of its cannisters which strongly suggests that they have something to do with the missiles.

Well, that just cleared up nothing!

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VERY interesting photo, Bob! Those missiles look menacing, don't they?

I noticed right away that the location of those two huge supports is approximately the same spacing and distance that the two rows of posts are in front of the missile tubes. For several minutes I was thinking that the posts are locating "pins" for those two huge sets of brackets. I was imagining those posts sticking up out of the deck, and this apparatus being set on top of them. Not the greatest engineering in the world , but who knows?

But after loading this photo into my computer and expanding it, I don't think the surface of the brackets is large enough to accept a "pin" of the size of the posts. It looks to me like the brackets have flanges on their bottoms and they are bolted to the deck.

So the mystery continues. Thanks for the photo though. I'm sure others will appreciate it as well.

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Time flies I guess. New questions regarding Admiral Chabanenko:

This is regarding the two boats positioned up near the large crane (not the launches on the port and starboard davits.)

The only photos I have seen of them show tarps across the top, with ropes holding the tarps in place.

Were the boats powered? Via screws?
Hand operated rudders?
Long oars?

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How about those large cable or rope reels on that same deck....
Did they use "natural" rope, nylon rope, cable?
Any thoughts are welcome?

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Chuck Bauer wrote:
Time flies I guess. New questions regarding Admiral Chabanenko:

This is regarding the two boats positioned up near the large crane (not the launches on the port and starboard davits.)

The only photos I have seen of them show tarps across the top, with ropes holding the tarps in place.

Were the boats powered? Via screws?
Hand operated rudders?
Long oars?


The port one is powered for sure, even if the prop is being covered by a tarp: http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/02/224/02224034.jpg

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Chuck Bauer wrote:
This is regarding the two boats positioned up near the large crane (not the launches on the port and starboard davits.)

The only photos I have seen of them show tarps across the top, with ropes holding the tarps in place.

Here's the best picture I have. It's not great but might help a bit. Click on it and you should see a bigger version. It's not Adm. Chabanenko but the boats might be similar?

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Here's another but not as revealing.

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Thanks Tim and Bob.

Tim's photo is very interesting. The boat in question does not match at all what comes in the kit for that location. The small tarp down below looks like an inboard/outboard drive. Such a drive would pivot and thus there would be no need for a rudder. This boat also obviously has a cabin and an open rear deck with step railings protruding up from the tarp. The shape is very similar to other boats I have seen mounted on the gunwale davits.

The kit comes with two powered boats--launches--that are supposed to be attached to the davits. My impression is that they were stored there. I'm sure I could scratch build another one to match this photo, and then mount in this location. It would be pretty easy since the tarp eliminates the need for any detailing. And I could also make railings that protrude through the tarp. Hmmmm.

Bob's photos both show boats which do look like the ones in the kit.
I did intend to make one open and one with a tarp on it. So even the tarp photo is helpful, especially for color purposes.

I've made tarps and ropes before (on my Mogami for example) so this should be fun.

Many thanks, gentlemen.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:54 am 
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Bob's photo of the boat with the tarp also shows a ladder on the big crane and some electrical boxes around the base. More bonus features to add to the model. :thumbs_up_1:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:54 am 
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Chuck, I've got a pretty good collection of detail photos of the Udaloys. If there's a particular area you want detail shots of, let me know and I'll see if I have any.

It appears that Sovremennys and Slavas also carry the same or a very similar type boat that is just stored "loose" wherever there is room or whim. It looks like just a ship's work boat that was common to several classes of ship.

I've got photos of smooth sided boats and clinker built that are of the same general design and dimensions. I would guess that they're built and furnished by various companies to the Soviet/Russian Navy and so would vary somewhat but still conform to the same general design.

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View of the crane. Click to expand.

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A better view of the boat pic but focused on the entire crane.

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Cool. Thanks, Bob.

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