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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:01 am 
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OK, I've managed to update TWO of the DD pages in the Shipcamouflage Database: the Sims class and the Porter Class.

Given The Sullivans release I'm going to try and finish the Fletcher class next but it's at least started.

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OK, I've managed to update TWO of the DD pages in the Shipcamouflage Database: the Sims class and the Porter Class.

Given The Sullivans release I'm going to try and finish the Fletcher class next but it's at least started.




Regards to the Porter Class, it is still not correct, you still have a little more work to do, I will post my findings when my model is finished in about 18 months time, ooooooooooooow aaaaaaarh :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1: ARH

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It referes to this statement for PORTERS.


To be applied to the hull to the height of the main deck edge at its lowest point. The upper edge of this Navy Blue are should be horizontal.


Not truely correct for 1944.


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ARH wrote:
It referes to this statement for PORTERS.

To be applied to the hull to the height of the main deck edge at its lowest point. The upper edge of this Navy Blue are should be horizontal.

Not truely correct for 1944.
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In 1944 the Somers class Ms22 demarcation line of 5-N followed the sheerline, did the Porters do the same?


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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:54 am 
Where the line of the dark blue followed the sheer line of the main deck this was Measure 18, not Measure 22.
Worn by some Porters, Somers and a few Fletchers.
Somers and Jouett - Ms18 circa 1944.
Davis Ms22 circa 1943.
Some of the Somers were in Mountbatten Pink 1942/3.
Winslow also from late december1941 to some time in 1942. The correct name for Winslow's colour was French Grey (aka Union Castle Lavender)because the paint came from Dunotter Castle when both ships were at Capetown during Christmas 1941.


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ARH wrote:
It referes to this statement for PORTERS.

To be applied to the hull to the height of the main deck edge at its lowest point. The upper edge of this Navy Blue are should be horizontal.

Not truely correct for 1944.
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In 1944 the Somers class Ms22 demarcation line of 5-N followed the sheerline, did the Porters do the same?


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Ron Smith wrote:
ARH wrote:
It referes to this statement for PORTERS.

To be applied to the hull to the height of the main deck edge at its lowest point. The upper edge of this Navy Blue are should be horizontal.

Not truely correct for 1944.
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In 1944 the Somers class Ms22 demarcation line of 5-N followed the sheerline, did the Porters do the same?




Correct. ARH

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:07 pm 
As per official documents Measure 22 had the top of the paint line run parallel to the waterline.
As per official documents Measure 18 had the paint line follow the sheerline of the maindeck.



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ARH wrote:
It referes to this statement for PORTERS.

To be applied to the hull to the height of the main deck edge at its lowest point. The upper edge of this Navy Blue are should be horizontal.

Not truely correct for 1944.
ARH


In 1944 the Somers class Ms22 demarcation line of 5-N followed the sheerline, did the Porters do the same?




Correct. ARH


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As per official documents Measure 22 had the top of the paint line run parallel to the waterline.
As per official documents Measure 18 had the paint line follow the sheerline of the maindeck.



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Ron Smith wrote:
ARH wrote:
It referes to this statement for PORTERS.

To be applied to the hull to the height of the main deck edge at its lowest point. The upper edge of this Navy Blue are should be horizontal.

Not truely correct for 1944.
ARH


In 1944 the Somers class Ms22 demarcation line of 5-N followed the sheerline, did the Porters do the same?




Correct. ARH




I NOW HAVE SEVERAL PHOTO,S THAT SHOW THIS IN EARLY 1944, ARH

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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:43 pm 
Then you can easily see the difference between the two Measures on the same class.
See pages 39 and 40 of United States Navy Destroyers of World War Two by Reilly for easily available published views showing the differences.


ARH wrote:
wr wrote:
As per official documents Measure 22 had the top of the paint line run parallel to the waterline.
As per official documents Measure 18 had the paint line follow the sheerline of the maindeck.



ARH wrote:
Ron Smith wrote:
ARH wrote:
It referes to this statement for PORTERS.

To be applied to the hull to the height of the main deck edge at its lowest point. The upper edge of this Navy Blue are should be horizontal.

Not truely correct for 1944.
ARH


In 1944 the Somers class Ms22 demarcation line of 5-N followed the sheerline, did the Porters do the same?




Correct. ARH




I NOW HAVE SEVERAL PHOTO,S THAT SHOW THIS IN EARLY 1944, ARH


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wr wrote:
Where the line of the dark blue followed the sheer line of the main deck this was Measure 18, not Measure 22.


I was waiting for ARH to clarify what he's seeing on Porters before letting him know it was Ms18. I used what is commonly "accepted" to be Ms22 as an example to be sure of what he was saying.

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Some of the Somers were in Mountbatten Pink 1942/3.


Unfortunately NARA has a severe lack of photos of any of them (supposedly only Warrington) in 42/43 when they were supposed to have worn Mountbatten Pink. In fact almost all the wartime photos of Warrington are in Ms16 with a single August 1944 photo of her in what looks like overall 5-O but could be very faded 5-N.


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I could have sworn I set the autolog to on...........that was me again.


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HERE,S THE PIC.


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ARH wrote:
HERE,S THE PIC.


Image


Thanks. As long as the picture isn't from 1941 or early 1942 we can rule out Ms12 and know that is Ms18. I'm not familiar enough with the class to determine from such a small image what year it might have been taken.

I didn't want to bias your response to my earlier question by using the term Ms18.


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I have 4 photo,s of the same camo, on the photo it says,

File-445-44 U.S.Navy Yard S.C. 1 March 1944

U.S.S Moffett (DD 362) . Starboard Broadside.

The photo,s are 10x 8 .. :wave_1: :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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ARH wrote:
I have 4 photo,s of the same camo, on the photo it says,

File-445-44 U.S.Navy Yard S.C. 1 March 1944

U.S.S Moffett (DD 362) . Starboard Broadside.

The photo,s are 10x 8 .. :wave_1: :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1:


If it's handwritten in white or looks like typed white over a piece of tape it's probably an RG-19 image, those dates are good 99.99% of the time.


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looks like typed white over a piece of black tape ARH

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Another new thread pruned from the former "Calling All USN DD/DE fans" thread, which was too broad.

For more information on the Porter and Somers classes, go to the excellent Destroyer History Homepage and click on the 1,850 ton leaders page.

Available Porter class models:
1/350 USS Porter, by Yankee ModelWorks
1/350 USS Balch, by Yankee Modelworks
1/700 USS Porter (pre-war), by Combrig
1/700 USS Porter (early war), by Combrig

Available Somers class models:
1/350 USS Somers, by Yankee Modelworks
1/350 USS Sampson, by Yankee Modelworks
1/350 USS Jouett, by Commanders/Iron Shipwright
1/700 USS Somers, by Niko Models
1/700 USS Sampson, by Niko Models

These are just off the top of my head - if there are more, please feel free to add them.

Porter/Somers class models in the gallery:
1/700
USS Porter by David Griffith
USS Porter by Li Wai Kit
USS Sampson by Bob Cicconi


1/350
USS Clark by Ron Smith
USS Somers by Ron Smith
USS Warrington by Ron Smith
USS Porter (1937) by Richard Sliwka
USS Porter (1942) by Richard Sliwka
USS Sampson (1940) by Richard Sliwka
USS Sampson (1943) by Richard Sliwka
USS Porter (pre-war) by Dave Becker
USS Clark (mid-war) by Dave Becker
USS Phelps (late-war) by Dave Becker
USS Selfridge by Dave Becker
USS Jouett by Dave Becker

Various Scales
Scratch-built 1/192 USS Somers by John M Johnsey
Scratch-built 1/192 USS Porter by John M Johnsey
1/500 USS Phelps by John Bange

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MartinJQuinn wrote:
Available Somers class models:
1/350 USS Somers, by Yankee Modelworks
1/350 USS Sampson, by Yankee Modelworks
1/350 USS Jouett, by Commanders/Iron Shipwright
1/700 USS Somers, by Niko Models
1/700 USS Sampson, by Niko Models

These are just off the top of my head - if there are more, please feel free to add them.


You can do minor mods to the YMW kits and build any of the five Somers class before the last major refits where they changed/deleted turrets. Photo and plans CD's available here: http://www.aa-military-research.com/order.html
Both have been reviewed on this site.

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MartinJQuinn wrote:
Another new thread pruned from the former "Calling All USN DD/DE fans" thread, which was too broad.

For more information on the Porter and Somers classes, go to the excellent Destroyer History Homepage and click on the 1,850 ton leaders page.

Available Porter class models:
1/350 USS Porter, by Yankee ModelWorks
1/350 USS Balch, by Yankee Modelworks
1/700 USS Porter (pre-war), by Combrig
1/700 USS Porter (early war), by Combrig

These are just off the top of my head - if there are more, please feel free to add them.


Martin, You can add the Iron Shipwright USS Moffett 1/350 to that Porter class list. I've actually just started it and was wondering if anyone knew of any decent references for the ship or class. The web is pretty sparse photo wise. Hence the dragging of this thread to the top! :wave_1:

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PeteM wrote:
MartinJQuinn wrote:
Available Porter class models:
1/350 USS Porter, by Yankee ModelWorks
1/350 USS Balch, by Yankee Modelworks
1/700 USS Porter (pre-war), by Combrig
1/700 USS Porter (early war), by Combrig

These are just off the top of my head - if there are more, please feel free to add them.


Martin, You can add the Iron Shipwright USS Moffett 1/350 to that Porter class list. I've actually just started it and was wondering if anyone knew of any decent references for the ship or class. The web is pretty sparse photo wise. Hence the dragging of this thread to the top! :wave_1:


Peter, it looks like that is OOP. It's not one of the kit listed for sale on the ISW site.

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