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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:58 am 
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I am in the last few stages of building the USS Fletcher, the Revell 1/144 kit, and I am depicting the ship with both whaleboats rigged out. My question concerns where the ropes on the double sheaved pulleys used to move the davits in and out are rigged to. I can clearly see where the ropes attaching the pulleys themselves are fastened to, both on the superstructure and the davits, it’s the tie off points for the running lines themselves I can’t find a photo reference for. I assume they could be heaved on either by hand or by being linked up to the electric winch in the port waist.

Any help would be appreciated. I can clock every other line, griping bands etc, and have provided all necessary padeyes, eyebolts for everything else, but this one detail I can’t find a photo reference for.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:35 am 
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There is a good photograph on page 40 of Al Ross's AOTS on The Sullivans. The fall belays on a pair of bollard-like cleats on the davit itself, a little above the swivel near the base. There is also a drawing of the davit that illustrates the cleats on page 113.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:21 pm 
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Thanks Maurice

Yes, I know where the lowering falls are belayed and have built these points into the davits. Apologies if my description was confusing. It’s the fore and aft rigged lines which control the swinging of the davits in and out that I am interested in. These run from the tops of the davits to points on the superstructure forward and aft of the davits themselves, and when heaved on, allow the davits to be rotated in and out.

On Fletcher, the single lines supporting the pulley runs are fixed to the after inboard end of the forward 20mm gun tubs, and to the deckhouse just aft of the forward funnel. But the free running lines that go through the pulleys have to be tied off somewhere when not being used to heave the davits inboard or outboard.

If I can’t spot anything definitive, or unless someone can suggest a photo or diagram/plan for the early Fletchers, then I will tie them off close to, but just below, the fixed support points. It’s certainly likely that the belaying locations changed according to the configuration of the ship and preference of the crew - Converse for example appears to have the forward ones tied off on the life raft supports adjacent to the forward deckhouse- and maybe according to whether the boats were about to be used, had been used, or were not being used immediately. The available rigging plans are a bit simplified. Perhaps there is something in a Bluejacket manual I haven’t spotted?

This sounds obsessional, but I’m only going to build Fletcher once in this scale, and I’d like to get it as right as I can. On to the next problem!

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Steve


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:37 pm 
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Stephen,

Frankly I was getting a headache trying to figure out exactly what you are asking for. So I went looking for "close-up" photos of the ship boats on early FLETCHERS swung out. There is a problem with getting such views, anytime another ship is close enough to a FLETCHER so rigged, the FLETCHER normally bring her boats in the stowed position. Onboard views of this operation seem to have not been considered to be a "sexy" photo. :smallsmile:

The attached image is about as good of an image as I can find or expect to find on a FLETCHER.

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The following image onboard an unidentified BENSON-GLEAVES class destroyer is the only one I have come across in my searches at NARA. But it may be useful.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:05 am 
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Thanks Rick!

The second photo, although showing single sheaved pulleys on a Benson-Gleaves, illustrates the method perfectly. I think I will belay the lines on a cleat as indicated in my post above, in a logical spot close to the fixed lines.

Many thanks for this.

Steve


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:19 am 
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Steven,

Here is a similar shot of USS KIDD with the boat in the stowed position, but also shows the boat fall lines tied off and secured:
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FLETCHER Class (KIDD) Stbd Amidships.jpg
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As for the fore/aft lines, I have a shot of USS STODDARD (DD-566) taken in 1967 during our Westpac cruise and it does show the after starboard davit rigged with block/tackle to the 3"/50 gun tub. Not a great photo, but perhaps this is what may help a bit:
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One other shot of the same davit but from a higher angle:
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Hope these help!

Hank

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Builder's yard:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USS PENNSYLVANIA (BB-38) Late 1940 1:200
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144
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USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:26 pm 
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Thanks Hank

That last photo of the boat’s arrangements looking aft is a corker! Really helpful.

Cheers

Steve


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Steven,

Glad to have helped you on this! The blocks are also doubles, so this is a win-win, right?? I also liked Rick's photo of Benson-Gleaves whaleboat - something about the older b/w photos that just can't be duplicated, clarity maybe???

Happy Modeling!

Hank

ps- one of my upcoming projects will be a 1:144 Revell FLETCHER converted to a 1966-67 era USS STODDARD (DD-566).

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Builder's yard:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USS PENNSYLVANIA (BB-38) Late 1940 1:200
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144
Finished:
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48


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