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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:29 pm 
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i am going to start building a canadian destroyer soon ,seeing there is not a thread on them i thought i would start one.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:00 am 
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I just ordered the plans for both the St. Laurent and Annapolis from Hobby Center in Ontario. I served on Qu'Appelle, Yukon and Algonquin (Trump) many moons ago. Left the navy in 95.

I contacted a buddy who is still serving (Hull Tech) to see if he can get some drawings/plans on the IROQUOIS class and HALIFAX class. We'll see what he comes up with. Also sent an email to resin shipyards if they have them for sale.

Wish the plans are more easily accessible.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:37 am 
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this is true i got a set of 1/96 plans of halifax class from darren scarnnell,and have on order plans for annapolis in 1/96 from hobby center.they should arrive shortly. as for iroquois class good luck i can't find any.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:21 pm 
Dear Russ,

I would be interested in making the gun mount. How detailed are your drawings in that area?

Nelson


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:35 pm 
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There out there, just have to ask, beg, but not steal! :smallsmile: If I get my hands on a set from my buddy, I'll see about getting copies made. Of course legally!


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Guest wrote:
Dear Russ,

I would be interested in making the gun mount. How detailed are your drawings in that area?

Nelson

i have not recieved the plans yet ,i will post a pic of it when i recieve them


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:42 pm 
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i don't know about canada post ,plans for annapolis where shipped on the jan 17 not here yet :heh: .i have been scratching my head about the indents on the hull plating on the hull.i think it is commen on all thin skinned ships.i think the welding heat must buckle the plates.i have been trying to duplicate this ,not an easy task.here are a few trys at it on a small piece .any advice on this would be very helpful.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:02 pm 
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Hello Russ,

I would like to see what you have managed for that ripple effect. I want to do that on my build but have had very little success getting anything I like. I look forward to watching the build.

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hi james here's a couple of pics of a few trys at the ripple effect .not quite right i will keepon trying.the problem is the ripples are not consistent,and some of the marks are just lousey docking skills. :big_grin: .


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 6:07 pm 
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Russ, that looks good. I did the same thing but used thin brass sheet(tin foil did not hold it's shape) The proplem was keeping the sheets free of other creases and bends. What is the thickness of plastic you are using?

I was going to lay out thin 1mmx 1mm strips on my hull to make the grid pattern than form the brass sheet over that to get the effect. Thin sheet may be much better. The DDE/DDH hull really cries out for the scalloped effect as it just adds so much to the character of the ships.

The idea was to then mould the hull just as Mr. OMalley is on his T3 tanker build so that effect could be any future ship I build.

Just need to figure out the excact dimentions of the rectangles. I did have a rough figure worked out but need to find it.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:49 pm 
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At the US National Archives I occasionally run into photos of Canadian warships in the General USN file known as 80-G while I look for USN warships of interest. On my last trip I found these photos of a member of the ST. LAURENT class. I figured you guys would find these of interest. :smallsmile:

HMCS FRASER during September 1957 while on a visit to San Diego.

Note: The NARA 80-G caption card had F flag for pendant number ... should have been DDE. Sorry.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:19 am 
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very nice pics rick.that decking would be tough to model..james you are right trying to get the strips to line up and keep every thing lined up would be a real problem.the styrene i tried is very thin about .05 i think.i have tried skinning a hull with styrene before and ended up tearing it all of because i could not get it to follow compound curves.i will not try this unless i can be sure that it will work and look more or less like the real thing.i will keep experamenting with differant methods.next i will try indenting the wood with some kind of punch or what ever??.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:42 pm 
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Hello,

I did some rough sizing from the hull photos of Fraser and I believe that the frames are 48" by 24" for each indentation. I took the length of 366' divided by 48' gives 91.5 vertical columns on the hull which is what I counted (or wanted to see..). Using the same method, from just above the water line on the ship plans to the end of the deck curve to the hull is 6 rows which would be 24" tall.

I know this probably is not very scientific but I think it should be very close to what is there. In 1/72 this equals rectangles of 17.0mm x 8.5mm rounded to the nearest .1mm. (11.3mm x 5.6mm at 1/96)

I am not sure my idea of 1mm x 1mm strips to from the frames will be deep enough to get a good scallop effect. My new hull has the hull frames 3mm inside the proper width to allow for the thinkness of the fiberglass covering and skinning wih the 1.5mm scallop affect (1mm frame and .5mm thick skin). I am not sure that sheet styrene would withstand the heat generated by the mould making process and still keep it's shape. That was why I was trying the brass sheets. I was using a .001" brass shim roll from Lee Valley Tools.

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1/72 HMCS St. Catharines-River Class Frigate-1944
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1/72 HMCS Ottawa DDE 229-1960
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:50 pm 
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russclark, try doing the sheet plastic in plates as done on real ships instead of skinning as 1 sheet. did that on my 1/144 warspite & 1/144 pensacola.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:44 pm 
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nice to have all the feedback on the scallop effects .no matter how it is done one will have to make very sure the method will work ,,or it could be a big mess to try to correct.


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I got to go aboard one of these in the 1950's at the Portland Rose Festival. Beautiful ships!!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:50 am 
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hello all,i recieved my plans for the annapolis today,.thay are very nice. they include hull and frame drawings for static or radio control,also they say they allowed for 1/8 in. planking on the hull frames,cool.a couple of questions is the foward bridge on her a little higher than the ships built before her and her sister ,and i see the masts are very differant than on fraser.does anyone have drawings of the fraser masts, scale does not mater as i can resize.i am realy looking forward to building in 1/96 scale.anyone know of a 1/96 seaking kit around?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:56 pm 
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Hi Russ


The required scans are ready


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:15 pm 
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hello all fans,i am having a problem with frasers length.when she was converted to a ddh was 5 ft. added to the stern.some articals say her length at 366 some say 371. i have scans of both fraser and annapolis ,and all my measuring and calculaicions they come out the same,371 ft..what is confusing me more is if they added 5 ft the stern the transom would be farther back from the rudders and props.yet it does not show this.help i am realy pulling whats left of my hair out :big_grin: .


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The problem being experienced with the length of St Laurent and Annapolis class DDHs is a matter of confusion with the drawings for the hull lines. My good friend and former partner in Vanguard Model Marine, Doug Munro, misread them when doing his Annapolis drawings. Both Annapolis and St Laurent vessels were the same length overall: 366 feet, as were the original Restigouche and Mackenzie classes. When four of the Restigouche class were converted to IRE configuration they were lenghtened to incorporate the larger VDS system. This entailed altering the transom from a forward angle to one pointing aft, and thus provided a 5 foot increase in length. The alteration was also originally intended for the remaining Restigouche and at least some of the Mackenzie Class. The drawings thus allude to Improved Mackenzie Class escorts at 371 feet. Doug took this to mean the Annapolis Class as they followed the Mackenzies. A review of the drawings reveals that all of these ships had a common hull, with the same distance between perpendiculars, so Annapolis was also 366 feet overall, not 371 feet. I hope this clears up the confusion.


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