Calling all WW2 IJN sub fans

[Phillip1a]

Peter,

Thanks for the response. Since the I-19 was overhauled at Yokosuka in March 1942 and was there again in July 1942 (per the combinedfleet website), I would think Yokosuka Grey for the hull is a safe bet. I agree that the black probably covered the entire hanger top.

Thanks

Phillip1

[Quincy]

Also add to her stained black decks as well.
Heavily faded of course.


Bob Pink.

[Phillip1]

Fellow modelers,

If anyone is interested, I started a new thread on building Nichimo's 1/200 scale I-19 submarine located under the "photo section-progress builds". Some of the great information posted on this thread is referenced there.

Thanks

Phillip1

[Eric Bergerud]

It's ship time on the cycle and it's not going to be a dreadnought this time. As I-19 was one of the most successful warships in naval history I think it would be a worthy build. I'm glad to see that there's enough evidence to give it some kind of wooden deck and some heavy weather.

I really wonder about those ID stripes though. I-19 sunk Wasp because she was part of the complex operations that always accompanied major naval movements in 1942. In short, I-19 was looking for the US fleet that was escorting a crucial reinforcement for Guadalcanal. That meant operations south of the Solomons. In that neck of the woods, the chances of I-19 being spotted by Japanese aircraft was almost zilch. US patrols planes were all over the place. More to the point, US CVs carried out anti-submarine patrols continually under almost any circumstances and heavily when in harms way. Indeed, it was the refueling system deployed for major anti-submarine flights that caused Wasp to explode when hit. What this means is that any Japanese submarine sighted by aircraft would be sighted by US aircraft looking for Japanese subs. This was not a time to paint white lines on the deck. A marker like that could make sense in waters where Japanese aircraft were active, and that included much of the Pacific. (Indeed, in waters where both US and Japanese planes were present: a good piece of water: US sub crews were especially vigilant because they assumed US planes would bomb them.) But in enemy waters it would have been lunacy. If nothing else, a sub commander would want an aircraft to wonder "friend or foe?" (Not that it would have made much difference to a CV based patrol. US subs knew to keep a good distance from American carriers.) Why not paint "bomb me?" Let's not forget that the waters near the Solomons were very clear and a sub could be seen quite clearly when submerged if close to the surface. (I talked to a New Zealand Hudson pilot that depth charged an I-boat near New Caledonia: it had just submerged and he estimated its depth at about 30 feet: said he could see it very clearly. The bomber was given credit for a "possible" at the time but there's no indication that the sub was sunk. Ironically this would indicate that if any of Wasp's anti-sub aircraft been up instead of fueling, they would have had a chance at seeing I-19 cruising at periscope depth.) This doesn't mean that Japanese subs didn't use ID stripes in other waters. I can't see any reason why stripes could have been either added or removed when an I-boat entered/left US airspace. I realize everything happened in WWII and that blunders were cheap. But I just don't see a Captain taking an action that could do no good but could possibly cost him his boat.

[ohi]

Hi friends!

Some of you know me as beeing a paper model builder. My next project should be a model of the I-25.

During my researches one questions is still unanswerd: Have the windows of the conning tower been moveable?

On some pictures the windows seem to be open undoubtly, on others closed. Have all of these windows been moveable or just some of them? If so which?

Would be gratefull for your answers.

Greetings

[Dan K]

I would have thought fixed in place but, well, have a look. Taken at Lorient, France, March-April 1944:

[ohi]

I would have thought fixed in place but, well, have a look. Taken at Lorient, France, March-April 1944:

Thanks Dan for your Repost.

Fixed would make most sense to me, too.
Whereas my believe would be that the frontwindos should be closed but fixed.
But if one takes a look at different pictcures, it seems that different windows are open or closed.

See my examples even compared to your picture.

Does not even one know here definitely?

[Dan K]

I assume you are NOT referring to the red circles in these photos. It looks to me that all the windows could be removed. I believe this is a navigating position for surface running, in poor weather. I saw this post on j-ships but I'll let someone else chime in over there.

[redoctober27]

hey found this site with some awesome achive footage here is some of IJN submarines taken at at Yokosuka Japanese Naval Base at the end of the war .. notice the artwork on the tower and the E27 radars as well http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... se-officer


and here is a good one for I-400 http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... ender-flag


and some more.. notice that I-14 and I-400,I-401 decks are dark brown... http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... panese-men

and a few more..
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... ne-tied-up

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... _surrender


and this last one is of the sinking of the I-53
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... e-explodes



Enjoy!!!

[redoctober27]

here are some more reels from 1942 and 43 enjoy!
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... cigarettes

and... http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... binoculars

hope you like!

[mongo580]

Hi All,

My first post here.

I notice that AFV club has released the I-27 with a E14Y Glen and Midget Submarine as cargo in 1/350 scale.
http://www.hobbyfan.com.tw/product/prod ... 0121115001

Could anyone answer if this would be suitable for I-27 that attacked Sydney Harbour in 1942?
The three ships with type A midget subs were I-22, I-24, I-27 but there is no evidence suggesting that they carried an E14Y.
I-29 and I-21 were carrying E14Ys that made recon flights before the attack but both were lost on landing.

Also, is the midget sub the correct for a Sydney harbour attack? As they were different to the ones that attacked Pearl harbour (different guards).

What kits from Aoshima or AFV would replicate the I-29 or I-21? Would it be the Aoshima I-19?

Look forward to your responses.
Regards

Tony

[Dan K]

I don't have the kit but I understand from others that AFV makes some very nice I-boats. Obviously, the I-27 Type B1 was one of the particpants in the attack. As to whether or not she carried her plane for the attack is not clear from her TROM. She could have easily left it home, right?

The midget seems correct as a modified Type A. See the photo at the end of this article: http://www.combinedfleet.com/Sydney.htm

[redoctober27]

Hey Guys, Question,... I finally got back to the ship yard after a break and just tore into the 1/700 Skywave IJN Submarine I-56 & I-58. Its an awesome kit but i noticed that there is some extra parts. These parts are 2 extra conning towers and 2 decks. Can any one tell me what these are for? Can they be used to build another type of sub? like lets say.. I-53 ?

[Dan K]

I don't have the kit; maybe for a late war version with kaitens and no seaplane/catapult?

[redoctober27]

Thanks for the fast response Dan K! Hmmm well I did just see that there is decals for I-58 and I-56 but.. there is also decals for a I-54... Is I-54 that much different than I-58 and I-56 that it has a different conning tower and Kaiten arangement ? The extra pieces seem to be late war but i could be wrong.

[Dan K]

All three are sisters of the Type B3/B4 class. See: http://www.combinedfleet.com/sensuikan.htm#tromsi

The I-58 was adapted to carry kaitens by late war.

[redoctober27]

How does anyone feel about photo-etch windows on a IJN submarien ? You don't see it much but I think kostca's IJN I-58 has pe windows. Any opinions? The scale is 1/700 btw

[redoctober27]

sorry one more question and its on the Submarine RO-50 , the only survivor of her class. The question is what color was she painted at wars end? i found one undated photo of her and she looks like the ship was painted black, which it seems like a good deal of them were. But is stumble across a video of her being looked over by the US during Operation Road's End in 1946 with her tied up to sub I-58, and she looks like she has been painted over to a Sasebo grey. Dose anyone have any photos of her after the war?


here is the video like after the war http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675 ... ew-members

[Quincy]

She was still probably painted black at wars end. The black more than likely faded with time and weathering to look the gray color after the wars end.



Bob Pink.

[redoctober27]

I got it!!!!!!!!! I have been reviewing reels on the subs at Sasebo in 1945-1946 and there are some difference in the pic of R0-50 in the picture of her in 1944 in of her in 1945 and she dose look extremely faded! Her new and moved RO-50 banner stands out against her faded hull. And just like in the pic of her in 1944 and in the reels she dosnt look to ever had a submarine torpedo net guard ( so i think its called i could be wrong) on the front of her bow unlike most depicted RO-35 class submarines