The Ship Model Forum

The Ship Modelers Source
It is currently Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:42 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 74 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Author Message
PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 6588
Location: New York City
There was one more variant of this type, built by Mitsubishi, Yokohama for Showa Shipping. This was the Nissho Maru (sometimes spelled Nissyo). While based on the same dimensional hull, she was more aerodynamically shaped, resulting in a very aesthetically pleasing superstructure. Many considered her the "prettiest" of the tankers.

While not apparent from her TROM, it appears she was equipped for UNREP capability. She was sunk by submarine attack in early 1944.

Interestingly, a 1/700 assembled version of her in pre-war livery has just been released. The model seems a little crude, but it could probably be improved with a little work. Model photo courtesy of HobbySearch Japan. See this link and click on "List All Images" for better views: http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10446886


Attachments:
Nissho or Nissyo maru SOTW, May, 2012, v778 sm.jpg
Nissho or Nissyo maru SOTW, May, 2012, v778 sm.jpg [ 173.72 KiB | Viewed 1342 times ]
NISSHO MARU by Ueda Kihachiro.jpg
NISSHO MARU by Ueda Kihachiro.jpg [ 177.26 KiB | Viewed 1342 times ]
Nissyo Maru from USS Trigger Oct 24, 1942, 80-G-33296.jpg
Nissyo Maru from USS Trigger Oct 24, 1942, 80-G-33296.jpg [ 155.64 KiB | Viewed 1342 times ]
10446886a.jpg
10446886a.jpg [ 66.64 KiB | Viewed 1342 times ]
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:38 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 6588
Location: New York City
Tom's Modelworks is preparing to release a new, dedicated photo etch set for the Fujimi kits of this class. Rich Harden's been working on this for about a year; he really has a shine for this project. I've been giving him as much input as I can. (And, I have no other affiliation with Tom's.)

As nice as it is to have this class in kit form, it has to be said that these kits are not among Fujimi's best efforts. The PE fret that comes with the kit has its own shortcomings as well. The idea behind this new set has been to improve, and correct, the most obvious of the kit's flaws, and to give the modeler the opportunity to add much more (accurate) detail if they want. I believe that class fans should be very happy with the new PE.

It also occurs to me that an astute modeler may be able to adapt some features of the set to other Japanese merchants as well.

Rich can correct me, but I believe the set has just been sent off to be etched. The results will have to be reviewed, the instructions are still being written, and no price has yet been set. I'm not sure when it will officially be ready, but I do believe that Rich wants it done in time for this year's NATS.


Attachments:
IJN tanker 3a.jpg
IJN tanker 3a.jpg [ 181.04 KiB | Viewed 968 times ]
IJN tanker 2a.jpg
IJN tanker 2a.jpg [ 180.72 KiB | Viewed 968 times ]
IJN tanker 1a.jpg
IJN tanker 1a.jpg [ 191.94 KiB | Viewed 968 times ]
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:48 pm 
Online
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:25 pm
Posts: 563
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Sweet! Can't wait to see them in person.

_________________
-- Scott Reigel
Back home again, in Arizona


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:26 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:32 am
Posts: 414
Location: Peach State
Looks like a great set to get. Were you too late with the suggestion for tapered booms in three sections? Was there no room for fender frames? Even without those items, this should help with a lot of the kit's shortcomings and may actually get my kit off the 'Shelf of Doom.'


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:10 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 6588
Location: New York City
Rich did manage to have the booms slightly tapered. As to the fender frames, I think the frets ran out of room. To be honest, we didn't spend much time discussing those. Not sure why; those probably got lost in the shuffle of all the other details. Perhaps we should have.


Attachments:
IJN tanker crane booms crop.jpg
IJN tanker crane booms crop.jpg [ 80.31 KiB | Viewed 901 times ]
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:41 am
Posts: 2052
Location: Monson, MA.
That is one nice looking set! :cool_2:




Bob Pink. :wave_1:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:12 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:32 am
Posts: 414
Location: Peach State
Dan K wrote:
Rich did manage to have the booms slightly tapered. As to the fender frames, I think the frets ran out of room. To be honest, we didn't spend much time discussing those. Not sure why; those probably got lost in the shuffle of all the other details. Perhaps we should have.


I think I would have ditched the pulleys with rigging in favor of other things. I find the attachment points in the middle of the rigging are hard to clean up and always end up bent out of shape. I'd rather use tipped line and slices of plastic rod. It still looks better than anything I've seen, or more importantly, better than what I could do.

Thanks for once again being a catalyst for getting these things rolling.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:52 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 6588
Location: New York City
I've enjoyed the project.

Conversely, I actually like having the pulleys available, though they were a surprise to me as well. I hate trying to make them up on my own.

It's true that we may have missed filling a gap on having some fenders, or at least, bases for them. Still, these would be tough to pull off in 1/700 brass, IMHO.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:26 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 6588
Location: New York City
First look at the new PE, with two quick component build-ups from Rich. It's an impressive set. Instructions not yet completed.


Attachments:
Tanker PE sheet 1 front sm.jpg
Tanker PE sheet 1 front sm.jpg [ 180.67 KiB | Viewed 686 times ]
Tanker PE sheet 2 front sm.jpg
Tanker PE sheet 2 front sm.jpg [ 195.68 KiB | Viewed 686 times ]
Tanker PE sheet 3 front sm.jpg
Tanker PE sheet 3 front sm.jpg [ 185.71 KiB | Viewed 686 times ]
Test fitting via Rich 1 sm.jpg
Test fitting via Rich 1 sm.jpg [ 191.75 KiB | Viewed 686 times ]
Test fitting via Rich 2 sm.jpg
Test fitting via Rich 2 sm.jpg [ 160.38 KiB | Viewed 686 times ]
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:26 pm
Posts: 54
Location: Deutschland
WOW !
great Information :-)

Thx Dan :thumbs_up_1:


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:44 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 6588
Location: New York City
Rich Harden is tweaking a couple of things, but the set has been placed up on the Tom's website.

I spent a little less than two hours yesterday assembling one of the new PE bridges for kicks. I used one of the 16C faces. I can't believe how nice it came out, or what an improvement it is over the kit.

The engineering is fantastic. Using 0.005" brass for the bridge faces was a very smart decision. My only error is that I left too much of a dip in the deck for the compass bridge deck roof. If I had been in less of a hurry, it would have worked out better. Still it can be disguised with the railing that needs to be put in place. I recommend taking your time and conducting several test fitting before gluing the various PE decks in place.

I temporarily placed it on my Shinkoku Maru for demo purposes. I made one tweak in the kit part not covered in the instructions, as exemplified in Photo A, removing some plastic to allow another set of the windows on the bridge face to open up. Nor did I remove a piece of the ship's side as recommended by the instructions (see Photo H) which would allow installation of a piece that includes support posts for a bridg edeck. DOing so would also open up more of the side windows in the PE part.


Attachments:
A.jpg
A.jpg [ 206.44 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
A 1.jpg
A 1.jpg [ 148.78 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
a 2.jpg
a 2.jpg [ 188.12 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
C.jpg
C.jpg [ 194 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
E.jpg
E.jpg [ 346.86 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
F.jpg
F.jpg [ 177.06 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
G.jpg
G.jpg [ 180.67 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
H.jpg
H.jpg [ 166.28 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
I.jpg
I.jpg [ 225.37 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
J.jpg
J.jpg [ 162 KiB | Viewed 428 times ]
Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:32 am
Posts: 414
Location: Peach State
Looks like a vast improvement, Dan. How difficult do you think it will be to mate the forward catwalk with this assembly? Would it be easier to install the forward catwalk and then install the forward superstructure assembly? Were the catwalks designed with extra material on the ends to make adjustments to the lengths of the catwalk runs easier?

I hope you're not sick of these tankers yet. Your input will really make a difference on this fret. Do you think anything was missed?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:47 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:56 am
Posts: 6588
Location: New York City
I think the superstructure has to go in first.

Yes, there is 1.5-2mm extra material at either end, so adjustments are possible.

Well, I am a little burned out on these but, as you can see, I've started puttering again on Shinkoku Maru for now. I don't think Rich missed anything of consequence. He made a couple of smart decisions upfront about what he wanted to see in the set, parameters were set, then he/we set about fitting as much as possible into the three frets. When a sixth bridge face option turned out to be superfluous, that opened up the space for the fender bases, which I thought a very inspired choice on Rich's part. (You won't find those anywhere else.) Also using thicker brass for the bridge faces makes a very big difference in term of handling, construction, etc.

Some minor things didn't make it, like a canopy framework that goes above the engine skylights in front of the funnel. Also a large intake grill at the back of the "deck house" in front of those skylights, though one would have to scratch-build a frame for that. However, these are very minor tweaks. The idea was to work with the kit as is as much as possible. There are some recommendations within the instructions about how to improve upon some of the kit parts if the modeler wants to make the best use of the PE parts. For instance, increasing the size of the kingposts.

The set design and execution by Third Floor Annex was also very impressive.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:32 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:32 am
Posts: 414
Location: Peach State
Thanks!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 74 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group