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I still couldn´t find if HMS Roberts hull was an all-welded hull, or not...Does anyone have the answer ???
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I still couldn´t find if HMS Roberts hull was an all-welded hull, or not...Does anyone have the answer ???
Thanks.

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My 2p's worth is no monitor ever built for the RN would be all welded. They would be rivetted.

All welded hull construction only came into warship building in the UK from about 1944onwards and at first it was mainly on destroyers.

If were all having a monitor fetish, time for one in need of a wash! :heh:

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HMS Havelock WW1 Monitor awaiting breaking up at Wards scrapyard in Preston Sept 1927.

This one I've always thought was interesting on the eye too, HMS Glatton:-

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Thanks Laurence.... :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
I would like to test my skills building a 1/72 replica of HMS Roberts. But there are some details that still miss me. If I was building in a 1/350 or smaller, that probably wouldn´t make a difference...but in 1/72, I´ve got to be sure.
Still looking for photos / evidence....

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This any use? :wave_1:

HMS Roberts in Bizerta harbour North Africa Sept 1943:-

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Yes it is.... :thumbs_up_1:
Every pictures I can come across, are like a gold mine to me.
Thanks again... :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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hallo all, :wave_1:

@ jmchaica , there are 2 books available , by BS or better known by Profile Morskie , on Monitors , HMS Abercrombie and HMS Roberts.

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there are no close-up photo's of the hull , but the book has many drawings , I like the colour drawings very much.

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I have searched in the book 'British and Empire Warships of the second WW' how the hull was made , but found no details. So I checked the plans I bought at NMM , and found this:

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the shell plating is overlapping each other , so I think the plating must be bolted. After looking through these plans again , my fingers are itching for building a Monitor in 1/35. Dimensions in this scale 3m 25 x 77 cm 50 , not that much larger than my Torpedoboot Typ 39.

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Thanks Ludwig for the images.
I´ve already found that these were riveted, and not welded hulls.
Unfortunatelly, and although I have those two books you mentioned, they don´t have any "rivets placement" (don´t know the exact term) plans, and I was considering building a 1/72 model. Without these plans, I cannot go forward, as I´m not sure were to place all those tiny rivets.
Do the NMM plans have any info on these so-called "rivets placement" plans ???

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I don't think you will get the rivet positions on a ships hull from the 'as fitted' NMM plans.

I would suggest close-up photographs are the best way to go.
Sometimes many photographs were taken by the yards themselves whilst under construction and these often are good to show such detail.

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Hi, Thought you might be interested in seeing a few photos of the 1/192nd scale model of HMS Roberts that is on show on HMS Belfast as part of the Operation Neptune display.
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Thanks Danny.... :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
Nice pics...

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[quote="Jose Chaica"]I still couldn´t find if HMS Roberts hull was an all-welded hull, or not...Does anyone have the answer ???
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According to Ian Buxton in his "Big Gun Monitors", "all of the main strength structure was rivetted, although a number of less important items like bulkhead stiffeners were welded."

Hope this is what you were looking for.

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I wonder if there is any interest in HMS Abercrombie and HMS Roberts and other big gun monitors? I've tried to look for a thread and couldn't find any. I have the old Ian Buxton book and the monograph by ISO publications. I'm interested in 1/700 scale kits. Currently, what is the best kit? I have the HP Abercrombie kit and another Japanese resin kit of the Terror, I think. Can't find it now.
Does anyone have a profile that shows the camoflage scheme and color of HMS Terror before she was sunk?
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That would be because they are in the "Small ships and boats" section, heh.

Here's the thread on Monitors and their ilk: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=18790

Some scans of the British monitors are on page 2.

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You might be interested in the exceptionally fine build of HMS Roberts featured HERE and at other sites.

It is perhaps the finest small-scale monitor build I've yet seen!

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Thank you, RNfanDan ands TimmyC.
Couldn't find it when I searched for it.
Very nice photos and build of HMS Roberts. Looking at the photos, admiration, inspiration and despair fill me.
If anyone wants to concentrate on British monitors, I guess that this thread can carry it.
Annyone have more info on the HMS Terror's camo scheme?
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Perhaps we could get these ships moved into the battleship section! Why? Quoted from Buxtons Big Gun Monitors on page 176

" No new monitors had been built between the wars. Not only would they have been of limited value, but they would have been regarded as battleships under treaty tonnage quotas if they mounted guns of greater calibre than 8in."

If it works for the treaty, should work here too! Besides they fired more 15 inch shells than all RN battleships combined, allowing the perfection of the 15 inch mounting.


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It looks like Ludwig has posted a part of the hull lines drawings for either HMS Roberts or HMS Abercrombie from the National Maritime Museum in London. Does anyone happen to know the drawing number or any other information I could use to also request a set of those drawings from the NMM?

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Do you have ( Big Gun Monitors ) by Ian Buxton ? I am working on a 1/96 scale Roberts that will be RC . :smallsmile:


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