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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:11 pm 
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Yes, centered on the mast. These are maneuvering/signal lights like on the larger ships, just scaled down a little.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:12 am 
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Did these ships have names, or just numbers?

Because in reading the translated Japanese accounts of the War, I am coming across a lot of weird references to things like:

56th Submarine Chaser Squadron (No.8 Tama Maru, No.3 Toshi Maru)


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56th Submarine Chaser Squadron (No.5 Kotobuki Maru)


What's up with these?

I'm not seeing anything in Combined Fleet that indicates what these ships were/are.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:59 am 
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They are auxiliaries, converted and used for various roles like picket boats, patrol boats, minesweepers and subchasers.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:25 pm 
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Any idea on where to find images of them?

Because they technically belong here as well.

And I just got a load of images for the dedicated Sub-Chasers (No.1, No.4, No.13, No.28, and No.251 - classes), and a few of the "Auxiliaries," but the photos I got are of the converted Destroyers (Including the Wickes-class DD that was captured) that were used as Sub-Chasers or Escorts.

Or should I create another thread for the Escorts and Auxiliaries?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:24 am 
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If already converted, then keep them here, IMHO.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:20 am 
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Dan K wrote:
If already converted, then keep them here, IMHO.



OK.... I found a couple of old Maru-specials and Gakkens that dealt with Sub-Chasers on eBay.

I am scanning a few of the photos to post in here.

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Updated list of Kits at the beginning to include Auxiliary Sub-Chasers.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:07 am 
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MatthewB wrote:
With regard to the No.51 Sub-Chaser.

It looks like at the very least Sub-Chaser No.58 was back to the "Improved No.13" appearance:

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Did CH-58 not have a degussing cable and have her 58 hull number on her side ???? At this late in the war since she was launched in 1943??


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:57 am 
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She's still fitting out, December, 1943


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Ah!! So no degussing coil yet installed.. Got it!


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redoctober27 wrote:
MatthewB wrote:
With regard to the No.51 Sub-Chaser.

It looks like at the very least Sub-Chaser No.58 was back to the "Improved No.13" appearance:

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Did CH-58 not have a degussing cable and have her 58 hull number on her side ???? At this late in the war since she was launched in 1943??


Don't forget that the No.51 Sub-Chasers (No.51, No.52, & No.53) were re-classed as "No.251, No.252, and No.253" in 1943, when the No.28 class Sub-Chaser began to reach the 50s in number.

So the No.51, No.52, and No.53 were a different class from the No.51 from the Pre-War Sub-Chasers (The IJN just seems to be all kinda screwed up at times). They were basically the Model for the No.4 Sub-Chasers from what i have been able to work out from the Maru-Special I have on them.


But....

Does this No.58 Sub-Chaser look to have a Boot-Topping above the Anti-Fouling Paint on the lower hull?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:34 pm 
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A couple of points about the No.51/No.251, No.52/252, and No.53, 253 Sub-Chasers.

After getting the kits for these from Five Star Models, it appears that they are very small ships, roughly ½ to ⅔ the size of the No.4 or No.13 class (roughly ½ the No.4-class, and ⅔ the No.13-class). They are roughly the same size as the No.1-class Sub-Chaser.

And for the No.13 and No.28 classes, it looks like there were three or four different patterns for the degaussing cable.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:02 pm 
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I might be able to clear something up: the 'No. 51'-class vessels are auxiliary subchasers, hence why they look different. The main subchasers for the IJN were:

CH-1-class (CH-1, CH-2, & CH-3 subclass)
CH-4-class (CH-4 through CH-12)
CH-13-class (CH-13 through CH-27)
CH-28-class (CH-28 through CH-58; CH-60, CH-61, & CH-63 form a subclass of this design, as they had slightly greater displacement)

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In looking at the No.51/251-class (or Sub-class) of Auxiliary Sub-Chasers, I have discovered an error in the Five Star Model for this ship. Or at least an error, or difference, if using this model to build No.53 Auxiliary Sub-Chaser.

The Five Star Model has the structure only of Sub-Chaser No.51 & No.52

On Sub-Chaser No.51 and No.52 the Superstructure, and deck-houses were arranged (from bow to stern):


• Anchor-chains and windlass (or whatever that thing the chains go around is called)
• Type 91 "HI" 40mm AA gun
• Bridge
• Foremast
• Deckhouse (I do not yet know its function - If I could read Kanji better I could figure it out. I'll work that out over the next week).
• Funnel
• Ship's Boat
• Depth Charge Racks and Throwers (K-guns, fore and aft of 2 racks)
• Later shots show a Type 93 Twin-13.5mm AA gun on the stern

But on the Sub-Chaser No.53, the deck arrangement was/is:


• Anchor chains and windlass
• Type 9 "HI" 40mm AA gun
• Bridge
• Foremast
• Funnel
• Deckhouse
• Ship's Boat.
• Depth Charge Racks and Throwers (K-guns, fore and aft of 2 racks)
• Later Type 93 Twin-13.5mm AA Gun on the stern.

So it will require filling the hole for the Funnel, and making a new one just aft of the Mast to turn a No.51 into a No.53. The Funnel looks to be very close to the Mast in the photos of 53.

And, looking at the line drawing, it seems that Sub-Chaser No.53 is steam-powered, while the others are Diesel. The Stack is trunked from what looks like a boiler-room directly below the mast, and one that would be directly below the Aft Deckhouse on Sub-Chasers No.51 & No.52. Yes, I can read that much of the Japanese. No.53 DID have a Steam-Turbine, rather than the Diesels of the other Sub-Chasers. I.e. 主機 - 艦タービンx2 - Omo-ki - Kan-Taabin x 2 .... or "Primary Machinery - Warship Turbine x 2.

So in changing the model to portray Sub-Chaser No.53 (which seems to be called a 1651-class in the Maru Special would require some substantial modification to the stack in comparison to No.51 and No.52's Stack/Funnel.

Also, it looks like all three ships got some sort of storage boxes on the deck P/S of the After Deckhouse and Funnels, in the same location in all three ships. These look identical to those seen on the No.4-class Sub-Chaser that are P/S of the Funnel and Deckhouse.

I thought it might be a good idea to detail these differences, as seen in Maru Special from 1981, vol. 3, No.39

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:58 am 
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And as usual, Five Star Models has unnamed parts on their Photo Etch frets for their No.4 and No.51 Sub-Chasers.

The Photo is from the No.51 Sub-Chaser model, and the part number (#31) has a rectangle drawn around it to point it out.

I have searched through the Maru Special that I mentioned in the last post, but have not found anything like this part, which seems to be a open-framed box, yet with one side having these diagonals sticking out.

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If anyone can provide any clue as to what this thing might be, please, I would be very thankful.


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I want to build CH-50 from June 44 and so I have to left of from the Rainbow kit the radar and the 25mm plattforms.
And then I will build it similar like CH-51 shown here.
Is this right?

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ch hoeltge wrote:
I want to build CH-50 from June 44 and so I have to left of from the Rainbow kit the radar and the 25mm plattforms.
And then I will build it similar like CH-51 shown here.
Is this right?

Greetings Christian


From what I can tell, CH-50 in June of 1944 would have the Radar and 25mm platforms.

It had a platform built on the deckhouse amidships that had two single 25mm guns, and a raised platform in front of the bridge that held a single or double Type 96 25mm AA gun.

And on the stern of the ship would be a double Type 93 13mm AA gun. It looks like these could have been swapped with Type 96 guns on some of the ships.

CH-50 was a No.28-class Sub-Chaser.

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2018 1:53 am 
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Thanks for your input.
The project is a little dead. For my next project I will need an escort.

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Some more subchaser models are being released by FiveStar Model in 1/700 scale:

IJN No. 3 class subchaser
IJN No. 53 class subchaser
IJN No. 103 class auxiliary subchaser

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:41 pm 
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I was just about to post photos of these:


Type 53 Sub-Chaser
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Five-Star already makes the Type 51 Sub-Chaser, which encompassed SCs 51, 52, 53, and 54.

But SC 53 had a Steam Turbine Engine, rather than the Diesels of the Type 51-class (51, 52, & 54)

Type 3 Sub-Chaser:
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Likewise, the Type 3 Sub-Chaser differed from SC 1 & 2 by having a pole-mast, rather than the Tripod Masts of SC 3

Auxiliary Type 103 Sub-Chaser
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I cannot find any information about SC 103. SC 102 was the Captured USS Stewart (DD-224), a Clemson-class 4-stacker. It was technically known as PB-102, but was used as a Sub-Chaser.

This looks to be a Diesel, but I see no stack, regardless of what is powering her. But I cannot find her in any of my Maru Specials dealing with Small Ships, Sub-Chasers, or Auxiliary Patrol Boats.

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