1/72 Type IXC U-boat U-505

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1/72 Type IXC U-boat U-505

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I'm going through some "issues" with 1/200 scale so to keep this hobby fun I've decided to switch projects yet again:

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I've been eyeballing this kit ever since it was announced; the Type 9 was my favorite sub when I was a kid of 11 years just getting interested in all things WWII. My grandma was a bit of a WWII buff; she had actually lived through the war and I loved to hear all the war stories she had accumulated over the years. She had a book on U-Boats that was my favorite... when she passed away I inherited her book collection and I still have that book today.

In other words, this is a subject that is a bit nostalgic and emotional for me and therefore (hopefully) a good project to get me out of my "modeler's block", not to mention let me build a boat that I've been interested in for a LONG time.

I'm aiming to portray the U-505 a few months before capture. As usual, I'm going to throw the might of the aftermarket at the kit; I've got the 3 Eduard PE frets for the kit, the Griffon Model Type VII armament upgrade set (the same AA the U-505 was sporting) and am waiting for the delivery of a very impressive custom PE set put together by Oto Gerza: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Ird8eYu48

I plan on cutting open all the vent holes and scratchbuilding the pressure hull like I did on my "excessively ambitious gato" too.

Anyway, my first impressions of the kit are good; Revell really went the extra mile on this kit when it comes to accurate shape/details. Every last opening on the hull appears to be there, I guess having the real U-505 available for close inspection helps!

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I'm not so sure about all the molded on rivets though; they stick out too much and I will have to either sand them down to be less obvious or get rid of most of them altogether. The flood valves (somebody tell me what their technical name is!) on the bottom of the boat are also poorly modeled, but it's probably unavoidable due to their angle on the curvature of the hull.

So, I've wasted no time getting started... the first job is to redo those pesky flood valves.

Here's what they look like OOTB:

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Luckily, the Eduard PE offers nice replacement PE valves (among other goodies!):

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I ground out the centers and then carved the square openings out to match the PE as Eduard instructed but after looking at pics online I realized I could get a more realistic look by lining the openings with styrene strip. So, I recut the holes again slightly larger, lined them with .010 X .100 Evergreen strips and added the PE valve covers (Eduard etched them in pairs and threes but I cut them out for individual installation to make my life a bit easier). Here's the starboard side with some cutting and then with all the valves installed:

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Finally, I got a stylin' display base going and taped together the hull pieces to get an idea what this will all look like... it's gonna be an impressive display piece provided I can stay focused and actually get her finished! :eyes_spinning:

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As usual comments, ideas, criticism (constructive or otherwise) are welcome!

More to come, thanks for looking! :wave_1:
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Looking pretty wicked there, Jason!

Yeah, it does look like Revell should've just left holes in the hull halves and molded the flood valves as separate pieces, almost like small wheel wells that one would stick into the bottom of the fuselage of a really big airplane. Looks like you nailed it, though!

Looking forward to your progress, will you be adding figures?
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Thanks Goodwind! I don't think I'll do figures on this one.

Here's what the stern looks like with the Eduard PE and vents ground open; still 1/2 way on the cleanup. I'm definitely gonna scrape most of the rivets off too; they just don't look realistic, even when sanded down.

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Why do folks keep calling me Goodwind? It's Goodwood! :p

Maybe if you sanded the rivets down almost to nothing? It'd at least save you a bit of time...
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Looking good.

I'm always amazed and enjoy looking at your builds here on the forum Channell.

Hope this project of yours will get you out of your modeling funk.
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You're doing some beautiful work. All of those raised lines and rivets on the hull scream "wrong" to me. Most of the hulls were welded for weight savings as well as streamlining. Granted, it's easier to find external hull shots of the more numerous type VIIC online. But I think with all of those rivets it's looks more like a big boiler.
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Goodwood wrote:Why do folks keep calling me Goodwind? It's Goodwood! :p

Maybe if you sanded the rivets down almost to nothing? It'd at least save you a bit of time...
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Wood... Wind... it's almost the the same!

As for the rivets, it will be an easy job to scrape them off with a chisel blade. I did the stern pieces last night and it really does look much better.
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great work :thumbs_up_1:
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I am glad you decided to get rid of the rivets, this is a fantastic looking kit but the rivets just look odd, I shall be watching this one with interest
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Got Oto's PE set today from the Czech Republic surprisingly fast and hassle-free and it's absolutely beautiful! :woo_hoo:

Here's some pics along with some of the kit deck pieces:

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Along with a pressure hull underneath, this will really kick the model up to another level of accuracy and detail.

In case anyone is interested, here's the contact info for Oto's PE set:

www.rcsubs.cz
rcsubs@seznam.cz

He was kind enough to send me a link to his build log (RC version) as well: http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=176&t=80880.
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Following your builds makes my insides hurt......
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Now that's what I call Heavy Metal! :big_grin: :thumbs_up_1:
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krgf15 wrote:Following your builds makes my insides hurt......
Um... thanks? I think ? :scratch:
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HI Jason

With a such nice apertured deck , you can not ignore the pressure hull stage :wink: go a small sractch go go Jason :thumbs_up_1:
I follow your project with pleasure (with pressure hull or not :wink: )
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LE BOSCO wrote:HI Jason

With a such nice apertured deck , you can not ignore the pressure hull stage :wink: go a small sractch go go Jason :thumbs_up_1:
I follow your project with pleasure (with pressure hull or not :wink: )
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Thanks Nicholas!

I'm definitely gonna do a pressure hull; I ground open all the hull drains on the starboard side yesterday and its looking like the inside will be quite a bit more visible than either the 1/72 Gato or VIIC. I'm short on reference material, but I've got enough to get started, at least:

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... and I've got a pretty good plan worked out in my head to make it happen, which I will try to detail in the coming weeks. I would be VERY greatfull for more info, however (especially plans showing the layout of the induction pipes/plumbing) if anyone knows other good sources of info, please let me know!

Looks like I got myself caught up in another epic project. :rolf_3:
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Channell wrote: .....Looks like I got myself caught up in another epic project. :rolf_3:
HI Jason

I took an armchair, beer, food and I follow your " epic project "(I'm in not hurry :wink: )
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I still think you should have spent more time at the Parcheesi board...

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I guess all the moaning and groaning just went over the top of your head.

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Hey, I never said I was smart. :big_grin:

Rocking along at full-speed; I've scraped off the rivets (minus a few strategic locations) and ground open the drain channels on the starboard side. I've also thinned the bulkhead above the channels on the inside and got the majority of the PE vent replacements in.

My general plan is to finish the major work on the two hull halves, then build a complete circular pressure hull that will fit inside, using the kit's interior support cross-sectional pieces as guides and as anchor points for the hull. After that I will scratch out the tops of the saddle tanks, joining them seamlessly with the bottoms of the drain channels and detail the interior of the pressure hull top.

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Here's the seam between the main hull and stern "in the rough" before sanding; I also pinned the two pieces with styrene rod for extra strength.

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More to come!
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"Ya, das es good mein freund" :big_grin:

Made some progress this week! I got all the vents and replacement PE grills on the hull.

The Eduard PE is extremely thin; I think it was intended to be simply glued on top the original hull but I took the time to grind/carve frame girders out from the hull and inlet the PE sections into the hull, There is still plenty of puttying/sanding to blend them in but I think the extra work will be worth it.

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From the outside, the framework is barely visible through the drain holes and will give some indication of structure underneath on the finished boat.

Here's a quick pick showing the stages of detailing up the drain valves too:

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Finally I started on the pressure hull. I assembled the pressure hull from pvc couplings mounted to the kit interior cross-section supports. When I glue the two hull pieces together, I should be able to just throw it in the middle for an extra-strong base to build the pressure hull top on.

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I was wondering why I couldn't find any couplings at the jobsite. Now I know why. :wave_1:

Looking good. I especially like the use of the pvc couplings.

What will you be doing regarding the torpedo doors? open, closed, mixed?
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