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 Post subject: 1/700 Ting Yuen/Dingyuan
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:41 am 
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Hello everyone,

This will be the Ting Yuen/Dingyuan/定遠 of the Imperial Chinese navy, late 19th century. This is a very strange ship and I got really interested in this topic. The base for this model is the S-Model kit. A very good review of the kit can be found here:

http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/plan/ting-700-smodel/smodel-review.html

As with my other models, I really like to have them full-hull, so I started working on that part first. I got plans from online sources and a copy of Dr. Kerry Jang's plans (thank you!)

I start by cutting out the frames in paper and then in styrene. The bow is cut in brass so it is sharp after all the sanding and priming.
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Then I glue everything together following the plans. Holes where drilled on the frames to provide some structural stability and prevent splitting once the Magic Sculpt is added.
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Magic Sculp is added to each section intermittently, so I can see that the frames are not being pushed and keep the 90 degree angle.
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Once the clay sets, the rest is added.
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After everything is nice and cured, the sanding begins. Special care has to be taken not to oversand and change the shape of the frames.
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Test fitting...
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Bilge keels and other details added with styrene and Magic Sculp.
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More test fitting, the details from the upper hull are removed, to be replaced by PE.
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Sanding and priming, and more sanding and priming continues...


Comments and critique very welcomed! :wave_1:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:44 pm 
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Simply amazing work! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:



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Oh that is wonderful! Thank you for showing us the process, too!

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Great work. :thumbs_up_1:

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Very nice work. Are there any shrinkage issues to deal with with Magic Sculp, or does it harden chemically?

I'm interested in hearing more about your experiences working with it and any tips/tricks.

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Wow. You make it look so easy! Great stuff.

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Thank you for the comments! :wave_1: I appreciate it a lot!

More progress coming soon!

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I really like working with this clay, it is a Epoxy base clay and I got the tip about it in this forum (thanks to Marijn van Gils).

The clay comes in two parts that you have to mix together with your figers and it does not shrink, or at least it is not noticeable after curing. I have only done small hulls with it, I really don't know how it reacts in bigger volumes. The hardening/curing is very slow and you have like 2 hours to play with it, no noticeable heat is released while curing. It can be smoothed with a wet finger or wet tools. Once cured, it is very hard and does not crumble like with Milliput (I have tried both). It is also a lot "finer" than other clays. It does feel like plasticine.

The only tip I have is that I let it set after mixed for some 20 minutes or more, because at first it is very soft and sticky. At first is difficult to shape with tools, but if you wait a bit, it is very easy to do. Other than that, I just follow instructions.

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Where did you get the Magic Sculpt from?



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Hello Bob, :wave_1:

I bought it some time ago from a webshop in Germany. I could not find any vendor in the USA.

The manufacturer website says they ship worldwide from the UK.

https://sylmasta.com/product/magic-scul ... pack-250g/

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Great work on a great subject Erick! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Apparently, we have been doing a lot the same stuff recently. :big_grin: Me on a mold to vacform the hull of an 18th century French ship of the line over, but with the same techniques and materials.
But you are doing it better! The holes in the frames to get Magic Sculp to magic Sculp bonds is a great idea! I will do that too in the future. And the use of metal for a sharp bow is vey clever too! :thumbs_up_1:

For anyone who would like to have a go, this is a great solution for those waterline kits missing a lower hull! Or of course for scractchbuilding an entire hull. The techniques are actually quite simple to do, it just takes a bit of time. For good results, the frames need to be cut quite precisely which takes some time, and the sanding of the Magic Sculp, and then priming, sanding, priming again, sanding again, and so on... takes time too of course. But the results are worth it!

About 10 years ago, I have seen large quantities of Magic Sculpt being sold in an art supply shop in New York, so I guess it should be possible to locate it somewhere?
I have used it a lot for sculpting 1/35th scale figures, and also for armour models (zimmerit, weldlines, gap filling, ...). It is quite widely used by figure and armour modellers in Europe.
On ship models, I also like it a lot for filling gaps. For filling small gaps after gluing painted subassemblies together, I carefully stuff some Magic Sculp in the seam, remove the excess, and smooth it down with a small brush with a little water. No sanding needed, and the gap is nicely filled and only needs a bit of paint on the seam itself.

Looking forward to further updates Erick!


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hypno7 wrote:
Hello Bob, :wave_1:

I bought it some time ago from a webshop in Germany. I could not find any vendor in the USA.

The manufacturer website says they ship worldwide from the UK.

https://sylmasta.com/product/magic-scul ... pack-250g/




Thank you! :thumbs_up_1:



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very nice work ! :thumbs_up_1:
my kind of era too-- I will be watching with interest!

:wave_1: JB

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Thank you Jim and Marijn! I learned a lot from your posts, I appreciate it a lot! :wave_1:

Not so much progress these days, but I worked on copying the lower hull in resin. I have the sister ship Chen Yuen / Zhenyuan / 鎮遠 also by S-Model. When I build that one, I will already have a lower hull :big_grin:

First we make a mold using 2 part Silicon:
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I still have to learn to measure the quantities better...
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The result: (now I have two and an acceptable mold)
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remember to keep your work area well ventilated.

I also glued the complete hull together. Some sanding and filling will be required.

More to come soon(ish)! Comments and critique welcomed!

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Thanks for sharing your method. Im gonna copy it when I build my first lower hull. This is very much appreciated and I think making the lower hull in resin is a great idea like this. Would you consider selling a copy of the lower hull even??

I agree the battleship you build is super funky and interesting. Id consider building it too if full hull is available, but either way Im looking forward seeing it in glorious 1/700 full hull.

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that is an impressive bit of home-casting!

very good! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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Thank you pascalemod and Jim! I really appreciate it. :wave_1:

It is very easy to do, you just need the right materials and willingness to mess things up.

A small update, I finished the joint of the lower hull and upper hull and I added the screw propeller shafts. Next I will start adding small details on decks and bulkheads.

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Comments and critique welcomed!

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Hows the progress on this little guy?

Looking forward to the screws scratch build, they are quite tricky as Im finding out now!

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