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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:27 pm 
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Time for the props. This is one of those situations where procrastination pays off. At the start of this project I had no photos of Kirov's hull in the area of the props. I had several good shots of Velikiy and I've been assuming that the ships would be reasonably identical as regards rudders and props. Still, it always bothered me. In particular, the props worried me. Below is a photo of Velikiy showing the fairly modern 5-bladed props. However, that style of prop just seemed too modern for Kirov but I had no photographic proof to the contrary. Note the "X" shaped ridges or blades on the hub of the props.
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Fortunately, not too long ago I found a photo of Kirov in drydock that showed the props and it was instantly obvious that the props were 4-bladed. In the photo below, you can clearly see the Side Globe antenna domes and the dual guns that prove the ship is Kirov.
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Next is a photo that I'm 90% confident is of Kirov. Assuming it is, note that individual prop blades are essentially circular in shape rather than tear drop or any other more modern shape. Also, note the extensive overlap between blades.
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Well, as with most of the kit parts, the props aren't terrible but they're not a realistic representation of the real thing, either. The shape of the blades is wrong, they lack the "X" ridges on the hubs, and they have no overlap between the blades. That was enough for me to take a shot at making my own verions as shown below. You can see the "X" ridges clearly.
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Here's an overhead view of my versions, the kit version (the gray plastic), and a PE offering. The PE version has five blades and a modern shape so that wouldn't work. The kit version bades are clearly not circular and they have large gaps (no overlap) between the blades.
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Here's the props installed. The rudders are just loosely fitted so the installation isn't perfect.
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Clearly Kirov started life with 4-blade props. It's possible that newer, 5-blade props like Velikiy's were installed at some point along the way, however, there is no evidence of this so I opted to stick with the 4-blade props. My suspicion is that Kirov's props were never upgraded. Velikiy, being far more recent, has modern props. That's my reasoning, anyway. Besides, the 4-blade props are also consistent with some of the other choices I've made along the way which show the model in earlier fits.

Thanks for looking in!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:26 pm 
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Good work mate
Keep going.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:26 pm 
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Nice job there but you may want to swap them with each other for they rotate outward. Keith


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:17 pm 
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Keith Bender wrote:
Nice job there but you may want to swap them with each other for they rotate outward. Keith

Good eye. Fortunately, that was just for the photo op! They're actually installed correctly.


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Hello Bob

I glad to see your progress :thumbs_up_1: as usual, a great work :woo_hoo:
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:27 am 
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Any new progress with your model?

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Here's a small update. Today we're looking at the accomodation ladders. There are two, one port and one starboard, on the aft flight deck outboard of the CIWS platforms. The starboard one is circled in this photo.

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Here's a bit of a closer view.

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And another (not Kirov).

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After looking at the crude kit part and the substitute 2D photoetch offering I opted to scratch build my own version to get some detail and 3D effect. Here is my version along with the photoetch part.

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And another view. There's 24 parts in this item.

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 6:14 pm 
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Well, it's finally happened. Kirov is complete. I know I skipped a bit of construction documentation but I've been having camera problems. I've got it working again but the focus and quality of the photos is substandard. I apologize and hope you can still enjoy the offerings. Take a look at the final product and then I'll offer a brief summary of the kit at the end.

Here's a shot of the stern. The PE letters are great and given exactly the right 3D look that the real ship has. In hindsight, I really wish I would have filed off the helo guides and rebuilt my own. Oh well.
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Lots of antennae on the aft half of the ship. Quite a challenge to even approximate the look given the scale.
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Nice shot of the stern. Remember way back at the start when that tunnel feature had to be created? Turned out OK.
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The flight deck has regular railing rather than safety nets like we're used to on USN ships.
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Nice overall view although I apologize for the poor photography. I won't give up my day job!
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I would have loved to have done more below the waterline but I was never able to find sufficient photo documentation and most of the plans were demonstrably wrong.
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Again, questionable photography!
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The business end of the ship.
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I'll make a permanent stand but I wanted to get the photos out and close this thread!
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That just looks like a warship. The Soviets build good looking ships.
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Impressive vessels whether coming or going!
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There's always more detail that could be added but at some point you just have to call it quits. Plus, I'd like to build another model before I die!
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Alright, so what can be said about this build? As ship model kits go, and that's a pretty low bar, this kit isn't bad. The finished product looks reasonably like what it's meant to be and the fit is generally pretty good. On the other hand, the details are a mix of features from all the ships of the class and some of the differences are pretty significant. If you don't want absolute accuracy, it's a nice kit and builds easily.

I really wish Trumpeter would stop (maybe they have?) using that awful clear plastic for superstructures. It's meant to allow for clear windows but the plastic is terrible to work with. It's hard and brittle and is much worse in terms of clarity of detail. All in all, a very poor material and a bad idea. The windows are around one or two millimeters. It's not like you can see anything inside, anyway. Just, yuck.

One general regret I have is that I tried to preserve and modify too many of the kits details. It would have been much easier to simply remove all the details, whether good or bad, and scratch build what I wanted.

The kit instructions were typical of a model kit - not great but barely adequate. However, I recently worked on a Wingnut Wings kit and they have set a new standard for instructions. I was blown away. You have to see them to believe it. I wish ship kit manufacturers would adopt that standard.

I used PE from two manufacturers. While both were vast improvement over many of the kit parts, neither was completely accurate or comprehensive. I frequently combined pieces from both sets to create customized PE parts.

I thoroughly enjoyed the research and construction. I hope you've enjoyed the build and I thank each of you for your comments and support. There are so many great model builders on this site who have inspired and educated me that giving a little back, however poor, is the least I can do. My best wishes to all of you!


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Euhm.... where are the lifeboats??? And the helo? You're not finished yet, you can't leave the looney house like this!

Anyhow, the result is stunning. The stern shot is awesome and most likely the most accurate there is! The lower hull details are a big question if you look at the different props, it's also likely that other parts of the lower hull may be different on each of these ships. Nothing you could have done better on this model. You've gone a long way to create an accurate ship and it won't get much better than this by anyone!

Congrats on finalising the ship although I do hope you will put the lifeboats in place. The helo can be left off, but perhaps a version with folded blades ready to go to the elevator would be nice? Just a suggestion though.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 6:27 am 
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Euhm.... where are the lifeboats??? And the helo? You're not finished yet, you can't leave the looney house like this!

Thanks. I wanted to show the lifeboats and the mechanisms so I installed the boats on the starboard side and left the port side empty. Take a look at the starboard side photos and you'll see. I did make a helo but didn't like how it turned out. I may take another shot at it.


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That's is one impressive build! I know what ya mean about the clear superstructure and I'm having issues with the clear helicopters. I'm not a fan of the helicopters or anything clear right now.

Curious which pe sets you use? I have only the gmm but would be open to the wem set.


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Ah, the picture hosting issue raises its ugly head again--all the photo links are broken. :frown_2:

Dear Mr. Carr, is there any chance we may view your photos again, even off-site? They don't even have to be captioned. This whole thread was very inspiring even though, at the time I read it the first time around, I had not envisioned ever obtaining the kit. But fortune granted me a successful chance at this very kit, ridiculously under-priced.

Ah, alas.

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Yes, it is a photo hosting issue and an unrecoverable one. The photos are not currently hosted anywhere. If you are within the continental US, I might be able get photos to you. Unfortunately, the photos are far too large to email but I have had success using other methods. If you're in the US and interested, let me know.


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:29 am 
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Hi

I plan to build the trumpeter 350 scale Piotr Velikiy.
Not so much builds are shown on the net.

So i'm a bit frustrated to see that the maybe only extensive Kirov build stands without pictures.

Carr, Is there any chance to Upload the pictures with wetransfer or another upload platform?

That would be much appreciated,

Or has another member saved the pics? And would be kind enough to upload them with wetransfer?


thanks in advance


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Well, I hope for one it would be possible to share this pics also for non American citizens... It is a stunning build with a wealth of detailed pictures and scratchbuilt items... IMHO one of the best buildreferences ever made...


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Well, I hope for one it would be possible to share this pics also for non American citizens... It is a stunning build with a wealth of detailed pictures and scratchbuilt items... IMHO one of the best buildreferences ever made...

Hey, guys!

carr no longer participates on the site, so he's a little difficult to get in touch with. If you want to reach out to him, you can check out his blog and get him there. Search Navy Matters, and you can find him. Concerning pictures of Kirov and friends, I am sure he still has his archive :heh:

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On an unrelated but related note, I will be building a 1/350 modern version of a 9 x 16" gun battleship beginning late this year and most of next year. I will be using the Kirov hull and lengthening and widening it to meet what would be the new dimensions of the ship, between 900 and 920'.

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