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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:50 pm 
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Hi again Larry and all,

Anyway, the buttoms have much more interest than this. For these to be perfect, you will have to heat only the very tip of the rod, and the buttom will come by itself. Then, while it is hot, press against a hard surface, and you will have wheels, handles or flat bases for whatever you may need. Or wait until it cools off completely, and sand gently. You will get the very same thing.
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You can also have lamps :
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All kind of handles and supports :
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Whip aerials are simply pieces of stretched sprue with a buttom at the base, one single piece each:
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I use this technique en masse, as these are the easiest pieces to produce, and when painted and completely finished, the results can be surprisingly good. Have a look at a OHP/Santa Maria class frigate, Lee 1/300 :
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Actually much better than PE, because PE lacks volume.
I hope this has been of some help too, and again best regards from Spain,

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:41 am 
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Good grief, Willie!! I didn't expect a detailed tutorial with pictures and everything! Wow! Thanks a million!

I printed this off and now I have to get some stock and try this. Looks like it may take a few tries to master it, but in all actuality, it doesn't look all that hard.

Thanks again, and I appreciate all the work you did to do this. This particular post should really be added to the "Tips and Tricks" forum.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:33 am 
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Hi there Larry and all,

My pleasure to know it was of some help.


steinerman wrote:
Looks like it may take a few tries to master it, but in all actuality, it doesn't look all that hard


At all, exactly. It should come in the "Easy tricks" chapter.

A further advance were the vents and grids under nº. 2 turret. I considered at first to build them also closed, but after the fact that they are bigger than the rest of them, and that in the hundreds of pictures that I seen they were always open, I considered that at least I could have a try. Not that they were a recurrent topic in my dreams, but I was thinking on how to make them for a long time.

This is what has to be made, port:


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It can be observed that the lid opens sidewards. And here starboard:

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The lid opens upwards.

So my solution was to make two grids out of PE pieces that I had around:


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Then I made two frames with pieces of thin yogourth containers and 1,00 mm. Evergreen strip, using the very same grid as a pattern:

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These pieces have a reinforcement inside, probably to avoid a sagging in the grid. These reinforcements are visible through the grid, and have to be present, something very easy to make as well with stretched sprue:

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The background of the vents will be painted in black, and the reinforcements highlighted in light grey, so that they are apparent.
The lids were made using the same method, yogourth container and stretched sprue, but 0.75 Evergreen this time:


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The final effect, even if dry fitted is excelent:

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These pieces are again slightly over scaled, but not only I can live with this, but also that once painted the effect will improve.

I hope you like it, and very best regards,

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:29 am 
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Very sharp, excellent modelling!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:32 pm 
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That is an excellent job on scratch building those parts!


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Hi Jabb, Joe Simon and all,

And thanks for your remarks.

The next element was the twin gun fire directors in both positions on the clip shack. For me, Fletchers were always closely connected with the Mk.51 fire director, of which there are hundreds of pictures and graphics in the net, this one :


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On the other hand the offering of Revell seemed to me surprisingly inacurate, something that does not happen with many of other elements in the kit :

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Building these little things, with so many loose ends, was tricky at times but again not difficult, and even reduced to the essential elements, the outcome is convincing :

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But once finished, it came to my mind that these Mk.51 directors were usually associated with the 40.0 mm. Bofors, while USS McGowan and Jorge Juan were upgraded to 76.0 mm. guns, what meant that to be associated to the Mk.51 would be for these guns weird, to say the least.

A further research brought evidence: Jorge Juan had Mk.63 directors, not Mk.51, as it can be seen in two clear pictures of Jorge Juan herself, something I had not realized before :Mad_6: :bash_2: :


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The offer of Revell seemed now much more logical, of course. I thought at first to ignore the fact and let the mistake go by, but this door was soon closed too: not only these two Mk.63 directors are far different from Mk.51´s, but are also much higher and positioned in very visible places, so they cannot be ignored even in an true good will exercise. Here on board Velox, in Faliro Port, Athens, with the breathtaking mount Licabethos in the background :

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These Mk.63 directors are not described in both Al Ross´s AOTS The Sullivans and Alan Raven´s Fletcher-Class Destroyers books, and it is not that easy to find clear sketches or graphics of them, but at least I could find one that was clear enough :


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To build these things was not difficult either, the only problem being to make straight bases, what can be solved with the mirror trick explained in one of the posts before. Here you are the basic elements, made with Evergreen rod and tube, and plastic yogourth containers:

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The final product, even if again reduced to minimums, seems to me quite acceptable :

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I hope you like them, and warmest regards from this side,

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A quick comparison with Revell´s offering, which is not bad and could be modified and used if a time saving was desired, allows to see the difference :

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One set in place, IMO, the effect is excellent :

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Again best regards from the North Atlantic,

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Willie,

The Mk 63 Gun Fire Control System (GFCS) was a system of several components that were upgraded several times during its service career. The Mk 63 "director" was only one part and actually was an upgraded mod version of the Mk 51 (Mod 6) director with the Mk 15 gunsight in place of the Mk 14 gunsight used on earlier Mk 51 directors. The Mk 15 gunsight was eventually replaced with the Mk 29 gunsight (likely was used with all the 3-in guns equipped ships) and the pedestal was changed as well. The rest of the system included the mount installed radar (Mk 34 for the 3-in guns) antenna and the computer and radar electronics (in the deckhouse below the "directors"). The Mk 63 GFCS was introduced in 1945 for use on twin and quad 40-mm mounts, using the earlier Mk 28 radar.

The Mk 63 GFCS was declared obsolete (the system was never really effective against jet targets) in 1968 on USN ships and removed from most FLETCHER's still in USN service. Control of the 3-in guns was then done by the other directors onboard (FLETCHER's the Mk 37 and Mk 56 directors) as had been wired in from the start.


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Hi there Mr. Davis and all,

Thanks for the additional info. Again an excellent explanation from an (clearly) expert.


Rick E Davis wrote:
The Mk 63 Gun Fire Control System (GFCS) was a system of several components that were upgraded several times during its service career. The Mk 63 "director" was only one part (...) The rest of the system included the mount installed radar (Mk 34 for the 3-in guns) antenna and the computer and radar electronics (in the deckhouse below the "directors")


Actually I had found a complete graphic of everything you explain. Your notes settle the subject forever.


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Super work,Willie!

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Hi there Folks,

And thanks Scott for your remark.

The new advances are a side effect of my last failure with the Mk.51-Mk.63, because as I was looking for pics of the Mk.63 I came across some excellent pics of the radar mounted on two of the guns, something that I had never found before. These ones :


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The pieces of the basic structure were made with Evergreen and very thin yogourth container, a bit thinner than the 0.25 mm. Evergreen. :

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The two round aerials were not that easy to make until I discovered that I had actually ca. a dozen in my hands, as I could use the mines that the Revell kit offers for the German Fletchers that had mining capabilities as, the same as in the case of all German destroyers in WWII, they were refitted with mine rails on the aft deck. These are the mine halves :

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After I had found these pieces, the aerials themselves were a matter of some (well, many) minutes of work, but not difficult at all :

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The yokes where the aerials are to be set were made with Evergreen tubing, refined with side cuts and completed with pieces of plastic scrap and stretched sprue :

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As I was making time for the yokes to dry completely I finished the aerials, again with Evergreen tubing and stretched sprue.

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Evergreen tubing will never be blessed enough, because the fact that they are telescopic to each other opens a full range of possibilities with no work at all.

Over the the next post.

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And hi again :

Another thing I discovered (and that probably saved me from another hour of cursing in the future) is that these two aerials were not installed in the same place even in the Spanish Fletchers. This is Jorge Juan :


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But this is Alcalá Galiano, her sister ship, both "31" on the elevating mechanism allowing to see that the pictures are not simply inverted :

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The final product is this :

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I hope you like them, and best summer regards from the North Atlantic,

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Amazing work Willie.

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Great work, love your detail!!


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Hi all again,

After Photobucket has ruined my threads forever watermarking them first and blurring them afterwards, and some modelers have written privately to me asking for some of the pictures, I have taken the time to convert this thread to the standard right-click pictures of the forum. This way they will always be available.

When I have the ocassion I will try to do the same with my other two threads, HMS Campbeltown and SNS Santa María, and also with my contributions to the threads of other modelers. it is very easy, but time consuming.

Never ever will I use Photobucket, Tinypics or whatever again. Bunch of pirates.

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Most excellent work Willie!--

much dedication and tenacity in observation of photos...
and neatly translated to intense detail on your model!

I fully echo your sentiments about the on-line Pirates , photobucket et al

Bravo!

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