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PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:21 am 
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Bummer! That must have hurt.

But I'm glad you came up with a good, and practical solution for the problem. :thumbs_up_1:

I wish you fair winds and following seas for the rest of this magnificent voyage.


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I gather this is a Peltier-Element ? So it can be used to cool down the model in summer as well.

These differential expansions of different materials is something museums battle with all the time. One should have expension joints, but obvisously this is not always possible ...

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Hi there Jim and all,

And all this in 1/700... It hurts, definitely, but watching this ship grow is a real pleasure.

Nice going in UK, and keep us updated,

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Thank you all for you words of encouragement!

meanwhile--back to "proper " modelmaking;

edit:--apologies for some repeated images-- I have not as yet been able to remove them...


the fwd bridge are a has a number of ( surprisingly) tricky stairs.

The PE with the kit supplied stairs with individual folding stairs--nicely done but these are always a bit too over-scale

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In any case, being brass they would need painting in silver grey--

The custom PE rails I have had made , are made of oxidised nickel-silver-- no need to paint :cool_2:
and they stay nice and thin without paint levels building up

They are quite soft and the very thin longitudinals are very delicate

which was tricky when needing to splay
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I used some elderly GMM 1/700 stainless steel stairs, cut away the handrails;
and then afterwards I added a second layer of these stairs but offset in echolon-

- this gave them substance and the impression of 'proper' treads

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At the bow I 'added back' the hatches I had previously pared away

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and added the bow cargo hatch as well as the armoured bow doors( of paper )

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Moving aft -- I made of brass and underlaid with a sliver of paper the aft hatch-
-barely visible in photos( but can be discerned ) and shown on plans

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The aft staircases --made of resin-- were ok ( but alas the casting was not perfect cast )

They needed the extension platforms making ( these are supplied in resin -but too thick for me)
So these these were templated afresh and cut out from the wooden decking paper

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Each level a different shape as the staircases are further outboard as they ascend

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The top staircases were a bit too low --so additional treads were added of shims of paper

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My 3-D printed zig zag seating deck had vent panels added either side ( Flyhawk USN 5- bar asymmetric rail cut down)

it had the wood deck paper added ( after paring down the level to compensate!)

The timber edges of the incredibly fine steps on the aft and radial stairs were " implied " , painted and drawn

This deck also had a geometric pattern of contrasting slightly darker planks laid in -- delineating the tall column lamps

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I had been getting frustrated as how to depict this-- I have seen it done rather too boldly

( OMK 1/350 N
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as on the real ship--when viewed from the the air , this pattern was not as ' contrasty '


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I tried it using pale decal stripe... but the effect was just was all too harsh


so I reckoned ....less is more ... :cool_2: ??

Using a brown coloured pencil I ( softly ) hand-drew the chosen planks ( counting in and out from the centre)
using my printed planks as a guideline with the assistance of masking tape across

Once these were drawn, I used masking tape and blue-tak to ' lift' the brown pencil off again
and scalpel blades to pare away at the brown pencil to crisp up the edges

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I then glued the deck to the ship.... with a bit of persuasion :big_grin:

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The result was pretty much as I had hoped it would be -- visible --but without jarring the eye

BTW--the dark dots at the intersections of the lines are the pin holes where lamps will be

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A detail often overlooked on merchant ships ( and naval) are the copious handrails -- just about everywhere
I have added these wherever I have photo evidence

But aft they are quite tricky to make --and ( shame really but...) they bisect the aft windows as they did on the real ship

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these were tacked at one end with glue --then bent round so as to maintain a clean curve

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Yes ...I know they are a bit overscale... but... :huh:

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What has taken an enormous amount of time (!!! )was to bend, cut and shut all the railing for the the sports deck,

in particular for the lifeboat winch platforms - there are so many of them
- not all the same size-- and the time take to but ensuring that there is a stanchion on each corner....
arghh!!

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There are a large number of other small steps taking place--
ie the bridge roof 'furniture' is now taking shape!


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:50 am 
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She's really coming together. Love the handrails - you have such an eye for the little details, which really enhance the model.

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Take her on a world tour of modelling shows once she's done, Jim.

I've got a feeling you'll take all the prizes.

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This whole saga leaves me spellbound and speechless.
I am really glad this smilie is on file...

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I would go crazy with all those flimsy details at that scale ...

BTW, I use a self-tinning solution to turn brass PE parts into silver ones. Also aids soldering, if needed.

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>>>>>BTW, I use a self-tinning solution to turn brass PE parts into silver ones.<<<<<

That is the most useful thing I have learnt in at least the last last 5 years!!!! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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JIM BAUMANN wrote:
Moving aft -- I made of brass and underlaid with a sliver of paper the aft hatch-
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Hatch according to this. Access to the rudder gear?


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well now , onwards to Davits....

some of the groundwork was done last March (!!! ) see direct link below

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but more still to be done.


First the inner faces of the gantry runners ( ?) were blacked in with a Molotow pen -- matt and thin
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They were then cut into two pieces to chive the correct looking spacing

assembling the davit arms to the gantry runners (?) was assisted by having datum holes etched in ( these holes were also present on the real ship BTW !!)

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but the gantry runners vary in arm length pending the indents of the superstructure on the ship,
--- as I have numerous different sizes of PE arms I reckon to be able to accommodate all...

....so more cutting

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on the real ship the Promenade window faces were higher than the boat-deck--

==> as I had pared down the decks already earlier to accommodate this, they are also like that on my model.

The PE overlays give a sharp defined top edge and usefully hide the davit 'feet'
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The wooden deck was also inset from the ship sides,- with the railing mounted on the timber decking close to the edge

On my model I have also allowed for this inset , my paper deck edge is neatly hidden by the 'waterway' part of the PE railing
which for expediency and sharpness I have abutted to the paper deck--with the lower rail painted to match the wooden deck!

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The davits now will sit neatly between the railing and the deck-edge

Almost all the davits have a bracing plate atop them which also houses pulley wheels...( that will be fun and tricky rigging later!! )

note the surface cable wring ...!
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I started starboard side at the aft end with the most complex davit-with extended runner to accommodate the curved superstructure

interestingly the top plate on this aftermost davit only is grey....--all other plates are white..(?!)

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thereafter I will start at the fwd end and work aft on the stb side and reverse for Port-side.

Noteworthy is that every davit should line up with the reinforced sections between the windows

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( I need to straighten the lightly bent rail...--I know I know....)

But in ( slight!) mitigation --- the real thing was not entirely perfect either!!

Ha!! ==> for interest only! ! :big_grin:

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I am away for a few days ---but then the serious business of building davits will continue!!


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"But in ( slight!) mitigation --- the real thing was not entirely perfect either!! " - That is a problem we always have: nothing is perfect on a real ships, dents, digs and kinks. However, when you do this on a model, it can look like poor workmanship ! Actually, I find it difficult to sell poor workmanship as natural wear and tear, somehow it looks different.

As I said before, I would go mad with this flimsy detail ...

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Hi Jim

This is the most challenging project that you have tackled and it really shows your commitment to it!
Issue after issue, after issue but you are a (very) skilled modeller, and always found a way to solve it.

Carry on, looking forward to see it in November ;)

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Fantastic work Jim! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
And you're making excellent progress too. I'm glad to see that!

I really like how the tape 'plating' is looking under a coat of paint. I'm looking forward to seeing how it will look with a bit of subtle waethering.

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Actually, I find it difficult to sell poor workmanship as natural wear and tear, somehow it looks different.

Yep, modelling natural wear and tear takes a conscious effort as opposed to accidents, and requires study of that wear and tear.


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I was just browsing this forum's posts about unboxing Trumpeter's 1/200 Titanic. The comments from first impression sound overwhelmingly positive. It looks like Trumpeter has improved hugely from its early attempts at designing ship kits. Also, now they do their research properly, link up with the community of ship model enthusiasts, seek feedback and act to correct their mistakes before releasing the kits.

So now I wonder if Trumpeter will ever tackle a 1/200 Normandie. Considering the sheer number and diversity of ship model kits that have been produced, many of which we would never have thought of ever seeing done, a 'definitive' Normandie model is a lot less improbable than we could have thought until now. Compared to the Edwardian classic, it should be relatively easier to design a kit of Normandie, even with such a high need of detail, as the ship is so well documented and quite modern and sleek. Minimalistic in some ways even. Such a model would be a total masterpiece, with a length of 156 cm (or something like 5 Feet 1.6 inches for those of non-metric persuasion). Massive by any standard ...

Obviously, even with Trumpeter's Titanic-level of accuracy and attention to detail, there would still be lots to add and tweak, as Jim's persistent endeavours so well illustrate. The future is looking a bit brighter. :thumbs_up_1:

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Good eveningall

Progress may appear slow--- and it actually is....

I am still working on the Davits, evolving ever better ways of handling, aligning etc
so much so that I have re-made many of them .... arghh! ( punishment! )_

Post it notes ( non-transferable adhesive at edge)
and
Blue tack( holding an under layer firmly whilst
manoeuvring the upper pieces!)

-- these seem to my new companions,

Slow progress has not much been helped by me actively avoiding the davit making, !!!

as it is very tedious , repetitive , fiddly and strangely UN-satisfying !

and now the UK wide Covid-19 lockdown
impacting on our business severely,

anyhow-- herewith a few pics to show that we are going fwd still
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Best to store and check over the assembled units ( 4 pieces pe davit ) on a stark background !

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Re-making davits mean lots more cutting and sanding of components( the stainless steel is hard !! )

this is very boring!!
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lining up the ( still joined in the centre ) davit rails ) to be painted....
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and another batch of the arms ( each one consists 2 x pieces glued and aligned back to back)

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aligning and assembling one side of the davit rail was made easier by the lower half of the rail
being held in Blu-Tak and by spinning a very pointy pencil
in the davit 'pin' holes as one could then view and see the rail thru the holes in the arm to aide lining up.

==> prior to repeating the exercise with the upper layer !

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Each completed davit assembly was offered up in situ and adjusted ( a few swipes of a sanding stick at top or bottom )

==> as the superstructure aft is wider than fwd-- there are different sizes of davit rail as well as arms
as the big motorboats fwd have bigger and taller arms.


I guess its results that count......

-and whilst bleating about how long its takes and the tedium etc etc etc

I think I am quite pleased with the look of the davits.... :big_grin: :wave_1:


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I think I am quite pleased with the look of the davits....

As well you should be. WOW! Those look amazing. Well done.

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JIM BAUMANN wrote:
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<snip>

Best to store and check over the assembled units ( 4 pieces pe davit ) on a stark background !

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Half-Life 3 confirmed! :woo_hoo:

Joking aside, that looks incredibly tetchy and I'm glad it's you fiddling with 'em, not me—if for no other reason than I'd have lost half of 'em and was too generous with the CA...

But hey, look at the silver lining! Lockdown means more time for modelling!

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Rather you than me Jim! :big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin:


But you know it will be worth it of course. That last pic looks spectacular already! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


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Forgive me if this has already been posted or if you have already seen it but this will give you a crapload of detail. If you can replicate the pool tile detail in 1/700 I'll probably find a different hobby!
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