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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:35 pm 
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There's probably others I'll do it to, maybe when I get around to doing the British People's Navy stuff.


I won't go communist, even for you saura! :cool_2: However if their anything like your Tirpitzski it will be something to watch.

Right, one quick update, and a finished article.

First, my two FACs, a Taruntul 1 and a Nanchuka 3, they're not quite finished:

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And my finished Ukraynia (unfortunately I have no decals for a Pennant number or her name plates :heh: ).:

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Superb looking builds there ASFC, mail me a pic of the name, i will see if i can make you decals for it, what is her number.

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Here are a couple of variants to the AK-630, i could not find the AK-630 with the missiles mounted on it, i have seen it though.

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Yeah, those over-under 2x630 mounts are pretty interesting, though they're used by another fleet - not the Russians... I think it's the Bulgarians or somewhere, but it's not the Russians who use that layout.

ASFC - you sure? Come on, you know you want to... Nah, my British People's Republic concept starts with Edward VI not abdicating, and instead going rather Facist, disbanding Parliament and ruling from the throne and such. Well, the people don't like it and as the war progresses under the Heavy Crown rule, a Bolshevism uprising takes down the throne once and for all, in a rather Cromwellian manner. Long story short, the British pull back from the German support, turn the fight and hit the Germans to back up the Soviets.

Most of my BPN projects would center around a 70's era concept of the Soviets pushing the BPR into the principle navy role, taking advantage of shipyards like Vickers Armstrong and the like. First on that list is a Slava/Renown bashfest, partially inspired by the Zipang site that Nektarios posted in the Postwar Navy thread, which moves B turret aft, similar to the X turret on a Revenge, replaces the whole bridge and stack section with the long bridge, the missile tubes, and a chopped-down stack section from a Slava class, shuffles a few other things around, and pretty much from there, Bob's your uncle. Well, my progress takes a slightly different concept, using more British equipment - I'm going to look into the Trumpy Renown when she comes out, to study the kit's architecture and see how much I need to do for the construction project. End of the plan, I'd like to have a Renown bridge section built over the Slava bridge, and a little additional modification on the bridge area, have it with AK-630's, Sea Darts, Bazalt Missiles and the six 15" guns, perhaps extended to 45 calibers or something. It should be an Interesting concept once I get at it to say the least, so yes, to answer your question, it will be somewhat like Tirpitzski.

Anyways, that's enough out of me for now.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:15 pm 
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ASFC wrote:
First, my two FACs, a Taruntul 1 and a Nanchuka 3, they're not quite finished:
And my finished Ukraynia (unfortunately I have no decals for a Pennant number or her name plates :heh: ).:

They look great ASFC! I especially like the colors on your Ukraynia. One question though, I'm guessing you used Trumpeter's kit? It comes without decals? I almost bought the kit the other day because I saw it on sale, still thinking about it for spare parts and such.

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Yeah, those over-under 2x630 mounts are pretty interesting, though they're used by another fleet - not the Russians... I think it's the Bulgarians or somewhere, but it's not the Russians who use that layout.

ASFC - you sure? Come on, you know you want to... Nah, my British People's Republic concept starts with Edward VI not abdicating, and instead going rather Facist, disbanding Parliament and ruling from the throne and such. Well, the people don't like it and as the war progresses under the Heavy Crown rule, a Bolshevism uprising takes down the throne once and for all, in a rather Cromwellian manner. Long story short, the British pull back from the German support, turn the fight and hit the Germans to back up the Soviets.

Most of my BPN projects would center around a 70's era concept of the Soviets pushing the BPR into the principle navy role, taking advantage of shipyards like Vickers Armstrong and the like. First on that list is a Slava/Renown bashfest, partially inspired by the Zipang site that Nektarios posted in the Postwar Navy thread, which moves B turret aft, similar to the X turret on a Revenge, replaces the whole bridge and stack section with the long bridge, the missile tubes, and a chopped-down stack section from a Slava class, shuffles a few other things around, and pretty much from there, Bob's your uncle. Well, my progress takes a slightly different concept, using more British equipment - I'm going to look into the Trumpy Renown when she comes out, to study the kit's architecture and see how much I need to do for the construction project. End of the plan, I'd like to have a Renown bridge section built over the Slava bridge, and a little additional modification on the bridge area, have it with AK-630's, Sea Darts, Bazalt Missiles and the six 15" guns, perhaps extended to 45 calibers or something. It should be an Interesting concept once I get at it to say the least, so yes, to answer your question, it will be somewhat like Tirpitzski.

Anyways, that's enough out of me for now.

Talking of the Tirpitzski... Do keep us updated on that one :thumbs_up_1:

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:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: and the Tirpitzsky sure looks good too

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Thats right orb, the trumpeter kit comes without the decals-mainly because in all the pictures and articles I have read, Ukraynia seems to be without a Pennant number (in the real world). She has a nameplate, but as such I can't remember it. I'll have to dig up those pictures Neptune pointed me in the direction of and see if I can work it out.

Thanks for the offer John.

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ASFC wrote:
Thats right orb, the trumpeter kit comes without the decals-mainly because in all the pictures and articles I have read, Ukraynia seems to be without a Pennant number (in the real world). She has a nameplate, but as such I can't remember it. I'll have to dig up those pictures Neptune pointed me in the direction of and see if I can work it out.

Thanks for the offer John.

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ASFC wrote:
Sauragnmon wrote:
There's probably others I'll do it to, maybe when I get around to doing the British People's Navy stuff.


Right, one quick update, and a finished article.

First, my two FACs, a Taruntul 1 and a Nanchuka 3, they're not quite finished:
And my finished Ukraynia (unfortunately I have no decals for a Pennant number or her name plates :heh: ).:
Happy Modeling! :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1:


Really nice work there ASFC. I m always impressed by Soviet/Russian designs :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1:

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Hey ASFC,
I think i may do this to my next Nanuchka,,,,,,,,

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Indian Navy Durg Class export version of the Nanuchka, SSN-2 instead of the SS-N9.

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Tirpitzski Update!

RBU-6000 Mortars forward mount - under the forward CIWS, in an old 20mm position.
Kite Screech radars for the four AK-130 gun mounts - in place of the old 10.5cm AA Directors
SA-N-7 mounts - placed and painted - blast deflector necessity questionable.
Helipads - expanded and extended - now comparable in size to Udaloy class DDG
CIWS - all now with barrels mounted - seem to be short four, might be delayed for acquisition.
SA-N-9 - forward of the forward S-300F launchers - should drill and mount actual launchers soon. Klinok radars planned on top of forward and aft main gun directors in place of old radars.
Top Dome - bulked out the tower, painted the tower.
Superstructure - Forward Block fixed in place now, painted. Aft block now painted and glued down.

End of report - Pictures!

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That's some heavy artillery there!! :cool_2: :thumbs_up_1:

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kidcurrie42 wrote:
Here are a couple of variants to the AK-630, i could not find the AK-630 with the missiles mounted on it, i have seen it though.

Happy modeling

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The one with missiles on it are a combo of the SA-N-11 "Grisom" and the AK-630. Similar to a pairing of RAM with CIWS. Here's one on a Neustrashimy

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/5256252

http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1731&catid=312

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Hiya Cliffy, Yes thats the Kashtan, the one me and Simon are talking about is the pre Kashtan, it was a AK-630 with the missile, no radar dishes.

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Wow tirpitzki is gonna be coowl :D
But i dont like the extending heli pads, it ruins the design!
ALWAYS go for the design! :D

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Should be, Ed - that's four twin-tube P-500 Bazalt or SS-N-12 Sandbox missile tubes along the aft side. The ship is retaining all eight of the original 38cm L/52 SK C/36 guns as well.

Cliffy - that would be Kashtan, the most common and well known of the THREE Russian Gun/Missile air defence combinations in naval service - the other two are Palma, which John's showed us kindly, featuring two guns, eight ready-launch missiles, but uses a more optical-based guidance package, demonstrated by the central targetting ball on the mount. And Vikhr-K, which uses the 9K121 Vikhr missile, four in ready-launch tubes or six, I can't recall off the top of my head, and an optical targetting system, mounted on top of a slightly modified AK-630 standard issue turret - they were considering upgrading the Udaloy Class destroyers with them for an increased defensive suite. Interesting to note, as the Vikhr is a laser-guided ATGM originally, apparently it is accurate enough it can double as a short-range SAM in some situations.

Mitch - the pads as they stand aren't completely finished the modifications, I have yet to put in the angled bracing strut that will hold the pad in place. I extended the helipad positions because in hindsight, they would render it impossible to land a helicopter on the deck without needing pilots with a pair of big brass ones and perfect weather. Granted the Russians might be crazy enough to DO it, but you know they'd extend the pads after a few crashes.

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Simon, Maybe a retractable pad system, helo lands and is secured, and pad retracted imboard, the way it is now, would present it open to damage by the sea, and i would not like a high wind under them.

Just my thoughts

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Yeah that could work, possibly as an explanation method more than anything - just have the outer section lift up and retract over the inboard area. I was going to put an angled section actoss the whole width of the outboard area, designed to allow water drainage to avoid too much wet weight becoming a problem, though the upper section solid so it deflects a broadside wind downward instead of causing the pad to heave up and stress the framework.

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Hi Simon,

your Tirpitzski is looking good! I think the helipads are very interesting. They look quite big and the first thought that came to my mind was... Ekranoplan! Strap some engines underneath and you're off :big_grin:

But seriously, keep up the good work!

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kidcurrie42 wrote:
Hey ASFC,
I think i may do this to my next Nanuchka,,,,,,,,



Indian Navy Durg Class export version of the Nanuchka, SSN-2 instead of the SS-N9.

Happy Modeling

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Very nice, and with a White Ensign flying of the end! :heh:

Those landing pads on the Tirpitzski Saura are a bit....well gash. Johns idea sounds much better! The rest of it looks very good though!

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