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JIM BAUMANN

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:44 pm

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Have thrown in the towel--and drilled numerous small holes through the gel from above and through the hull form underneath

this hopefully will persuade the gel to eventually set!!

lesson learnt--less is more and thin is better!

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Captain pugwash

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sun May 20, 2012 4:49 pm

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Well Jim hope it don't spoil what is a very Interesting subject and you continue with this venture.

We do not see a ship in a sunken model state very often, if at all.

Hope it works out ok.

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JIM BAUMANN

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:02 am

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It looks like it will take another 3 - 4 weeks to clear....

arghh- :doh_1:

- but,... it really IS clearing-- glacially slow...

so I have started something else to fill the time!!

viewtopic.php?f=60&t=104027

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aleccap

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:11 am

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Without reading through everything, why did you use gell and not a clear resin in the first place ?

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JIM BAUMANN

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:36 am

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clear resin is exothermic ==> produces heat- not ideal for a resin model- and sets very hard...

I need to be able to cut away the meniscus where it tries to creep up the sides of bulkheads etc...

gel is much softer and can be retro-cut....!

theer was reason as well a smethod behind the madness...!!

JB

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Neptune

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:00 pm

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Location: Belgium

Hi Jim,

how 's this project going???? Did it dry yet? And how thick was the layer you put on? I always use very thin layers, one after the other. When the layer is too thick, the top layer is drying out fast and occasionally the layer below will be "incapsulated" and never dry. If that would be the case, I'm not sure, but perhaps cutting or drilling a hole in the top layer, where the lower layer is still white, may help? Just an idea though.
Hopefully it did dry, I'd love to see the result! :thumbs_up_1:

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Rob 2

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:53 pm

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I have to admit Jim I’m curious too, how is it doing?
Rob.

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Guido

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:34 am

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JIM BAUMANN wrote:

Next time use Polyester Resin, Jim! It does not excert any heat whatsoever when setting. Biologists (such my wife) use it to conserve plants and dead animals. (You know butterflies 'n stuff)

http://www.harzspezialisten.de/Glasklar ... stler.html

You can do layers of up to 7cm with this one!

Cheers,
Guido

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JIM BAUMANN

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:45 am

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Having comprehensively stuck my head in the sand for a number of weeks...

distracted myself by starting the build of another ship...

weekly replacing diligently the silica gel and emptying the dehumidifier....

and having drilled numerous small holes...

I can report...

that it has cleared and is dry--at laaaaaast!

Yihaaa!

I shall give it another 2 weeks befor applying ( THIN !!!! ) further layers....

Thank you everyone for your interest and input

I shall not make that mistake again--

@ Guido--I had a look --that does seem like the right stuff!
thank you :thumbs_up_1:

for my next sinker--that will be stuff to use....

Updates soon--I am now torn twixt the H'burg and the Jeanne'darc...

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=104027....

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Guido

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:19 am

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JIM BAUMANN wrote:

...
@ Guido--I had a look --that does seem like the right stuff!
thank you :thumbs_up_1:

...

Make sure to use the chrystal clear stuff!

Guido

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Filipe Ramires

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:30 am

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Location: Lisbon, Portugal

Seems an interesting and unusual project. Following it! :thumbs_up_1:

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JIM BAUMANN

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:54 pm

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It really had dried out...!

so I have for the past few days been adding more THIN ( :big_grin:

)layers...

I decided to persevere with the gl on this model as I did not want to start mixing differing media...
I had built a 'dam' around the base--partly t contain the gel--and partly to give a level to be able to keep the water to, I used a polished piece of styrene that I dragged across the gel to keep the level consistent across the baseboard.

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from this viewing angle--( excusing the flash and lack of sharpness)

one can begin to see the desired effect....

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Bill Livingston

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:01 pm

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Location: Cambridgeshire

I've been waiting to see this!!!!!

Excellent! This is going to look wonderful.

Scary back there for a moment though wasn't it... :big_grin:

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Olaf Held

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:01 am

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Location: Flensburg, Germany

Looks like a giant surfacing sub in th second photo, HA!

That looks really great so far, keep it coming (eeeh... drying)

Happy modelling ~ Olaf!

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Rob 2

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 8:19 am

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Good to see progress Jim, must be a relief for you, I know it was giving me sleepless nights.
I will be very interested to see how you will colour the sea enough to conceal the base yet preserve the depth of the water.
I’m as intrigued as ever.
Rob.

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Stefano Salesi

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 5:12 pm

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marvellous. love the idea, the execution and the perseverance

I cant' wait to see her finished...truly another masterpiece!

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MöLDERS

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:26 pm

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Cool idea! There aint many well done wrecks out there. This one surely will be one of the exceptions.
Great job so far.
Rock on!

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Neptune

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 9:55 am

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Location: Belgium

Lovely, still wondering how you're going to paint the water surface, between the guns etc. That'll be a challenge (well for me it would be, for you it's probably a walk in the park) :heh:

What colour are you going to use for the water?

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Captain pugwash

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:44 am

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'Phew', This is really turning out a cliff hanger.

Well the projects not sunk yet :big_grin:

Nice going Jim :wave_1:

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aleccap

Post subject: Re: SMS Hindenburg on the bottom....Scapa Flow--around 1925

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:40 am

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Location: 3rd rock from the Sun

Its always nice to see something new (imagination via the run of the mill) any plans for the odd seagull sitting on top ?
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