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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:09 am 
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Hello friends,

Before moving to the model I’m currently building, for anyone interested I thought it would be polite to give a short introduction since I’m new to this forum (or go immediately to the interesting bits two paragraphs below! :big_grin:).

As for myself...
My name is Bas Flipse, I’m 25 years old, I live in the Netherlands and I’ve completed my very first model last year (she can be found elsewhere on the board here). I must admit I’m one of the (if not the) slowest builders around. Due to various reasons (new job, moved to another address twice, etc, etc) my first build took ages and that will properly be the case with my Buckley class as well (got married last year, long honeymoon and last but not least we've bought a house which consumed most of my free time).

References and PE
So, my second ship :cool_1:. I've purchased an eBook from Floating Drydock, GMM PE, Master Models 3" gun barrels and I'll use the l'Arsenal 20 mm's and 1.1". I also have to mention that after my first ship was nearly completed I’ve read David Griffith’s great book ‘Ship models from kits’. I really do recommend it to any newbie such as myself as it gave me a lot of techniques and ideas how to build the Buckley.

I haven't decided which particular ship yet; I'm still looking for a Buckley with the 20mm gun tub in front of the depth charges (which I already installed) and also is wearing MS22. Between this it basically can be any ship, but I do prefer one with an interesting history. I’ll see what I can find.

Hull
Construction started with the deck and the hull. Although I believe (with my very limited experience) the Trumpeter Buckley basically is a good model, I'm not terribly happy with how she fits together. I'm doing a full hull model, so the lower hull part fits to the upper hull part. Particular at the bow section the two parts did not line up and this required quite some sanding in order to get things right. The conning tower is another example of a part that does not fit together; the picture I included shows the huge gap between the left and right piece after I glued things together.

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Further details on the hull were supports on the 3” and 20mm gun shields, PE hatches, braided anchor chains (yes, I got that trick from David Griffith’s book), and opening the chocks.

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Superstructure
I’ve already completed most of the superstructure (prior to painting at least). I've replaced all doors for their PE counterparts and added some additional details such as steam- or oil pipes. All the K-gun arbors on the bulkheads are a nice feature of this kit however there are too much molded on so I had to remove some of them. The same goes for the aft house which has the 3" gun on top; the house itself had a door and a ladder at both sides so some of the arbors had to be removed here as well.

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The conning tower is still plain looking but after painting the whole thing more details such as a pelorus, range finders, railings, etc will be added. Both the portholes on the sloping sides were a bit odd; it looked like they were drilled from the front side instead of a right angle in respect to the panel. I've filled them and drilled them again. Also all portholes were fitted with eyebrows.

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And the pieces completed:

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Funnel
The funnel was relatively easy, opened at the top and provided with PE. I still intend to add the siren and whistle, which were prominent at the forward funnel platform, however I'm still not entirely sure how to represent these in this scale. I've created supports for the rigging out of a ECM antenna that was still in the USS Fletcher PE fret. I've removed the outer pieces so a triangle remained and this was bent to the right shape of the support.

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Mast
After some doubts I decided to replace the kit's mast by a copper mast with the GMM PE. Although the kit mast wasn't bad, it was not circular at the part where the yardarms were supposed to fit. Using the GMM yardarms, this had to be corrected. Furthermore the floating drydock eBook shows that the molded-on fighting lights are incorrect for at least most of the Buckleys, so they had to be removed. Overall I thought it would be easier building a new one from a 1 [mm] copper wire rather than do all these modifications. The only thing I used from the kits mast was the mast platform, the radar platform (after reshaping it to a crescent shape) and a triangular support which function is unknown to me.

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3" guns
As mentioned before, I've bought the Master Models 3" barrels and these are a major improvement. With GMM's PE added, the main guns look much more attractive and three-dimensional than the original and sober molded-in-one-piece 3" guns from the kit.

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And that is as far as I am right now! Next will be the 1.1", al eight 20 mm's, hedgehocks and the depth charges. After that I'll do all the smaller details such as cable reels and ammunition lockers.

Any suggestions, hints or tips will of course be greatly appreciated! :smallsmile:

Best regards,

Bas

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:55 pm 
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Looking good so far! Please do keep us updated on any further progress.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:12 am 
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Hey Bas,

Very nice and clean build.

Keep it up!
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Hi Bas

your project is well started :thumbs_up_1: and all your improvements are pleasant to the eye

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Thanks for your kind comments guys!

In the past day's I've assembled the l'Arsenal 20 mm's, however when nearly finished I discovered I had made only eight instead of the desired ten. So I'll still need to add two more and also the hand wheels are not yet on the pedestals.


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When working on the 20 mm's, I also realised I forgot to remove the rised circular holes where the kits 20 mm's should be placed :doh_1:! (see the red boxes in the picture below) What I did was drill a hole as large as the whole cylinder so I got rid of the raised pieces but large holes remained. I've filled all the holes, but now I'm having a hard time to sand this even because I lack the room to sand things properly in the small circular tubs. To overcome this I've glued a small piece of 400 sanding paper to a heavy concrete nail head. This gets the job done but not as smooth as I would hope for plus it takes lots of time to do them all 10.

Any suggestions from you guys? Maybe my approach was wrong from the beginning so if any suggestions here they are also more than welcome :nod_2:!

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So that's it for now. Thanks again for your comments and any suggestions/hits will or course be greatly appreciated!

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20 mm guns barrels very short.


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Hi Bas,

You have already noticed some of the errors in the kit, but there are more. I'd suggest referring to this: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/de701.pdf
This is the up-gunned version of the Buckley class but the bulk of the details are the same.
1. On the open bridge, (great job you've done) there access to the pilot house/navigation bridge below it. If you notice, there's no way shown on the model to get to the open bridge. to the right of the larger wood grate, between it and the side oif the bridge, there was a stairwell. This is shown on Page 5 of the plans. This was not a hatch in the deck. There was a housing for it so the door was vertical.

2. Referring to page 6 of the plans labeled Superstructure Deck there was:
A. A door from that deck into the superstructure located to the right, or Starboard, of the mast.
B. 4 vents located between the forward uptake of the stack and the superstructure. These were about 48 inches high. Another point is that there was a vertical ladder to the port side of the mast that ran from this desk to the platform round the mast.
C. There was another rectangular vent located aft of the aft stack uptake.

I have some personal knowledge of these points because I spent some time aboard DE 219 when it was a training ship in the early 1960's. I spent most of my time in the radio room and the area between the mast and the forward stack uptake was the smoking area. The rectangular vent there was particularly nice during winter months because it was the exhaust for the galley directly below and could be depended on for warm air.

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20 mm guns barrels very short.


Hey Litvin70,

Thanks for noticing! I believe you're right and I'll get to it the coming days.

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Hey Rus,

Thanks for your extended reply and the PDF plans of course!

1. I also noticed this access in the Floating Drydock Ebook and also the movie 'The enemy below'. I did not install most of the details on the bridge yet to get a clear area to airbrush so this part has yet to be made. I've incluced a picture below which gives a nice view of the housing I think you mean.

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A. Great point. Totally missed it.
B/C. Same goes for the vents. I had to look into the FD ebook and eventually I did find descent picture of them (see below). A more descent picture or a drawing would be even better but I did not find one yet.

As a former radioman you've convinced me to pay attention to these points and I'll get to them :thumbs_up_1:

Thanks again and if there are any more comments I'll be happy to hear them!

Regards,

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Bas,
I think I can find some other pictures for you. But that is the structure on the open bridge to which I was referring. That small door into the ASDIC hut tended to vary from port to starboard placement.

Russ

Here you are. The last one I had to crop abit because it was a nest of several ships.

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Hello Friends,

After a few years of no progress at all (busy, busy :-?), I finally finished her! :woo_hoo: Unfortunately I do not have any more in-progress photo's to add to this thread, but I can show you the finished thing. :smallsmile: I went to built USS Solar (DE-221), mainly because I was looking for a boat with the HF/DF antenna and wearing a MS22 camouflage scheme. She has a rather short history: after spending most of WWII in the Mediterranean, she suffered an accidental explosion while offloading ammunition in 1946. The resulting blasts destroyed her completely, taking the life of 7 men and wounding 125 others. Afterwards she was a total loss and was decommissioned.

The figures I used are from l'Arsenal, PE from GMM, rigging is Ceanis thread with small white glue balls painted black. I used the Folating Drydock Buckley class Ebook as a reference, which contains a lot of very good pictures and drawings. As for the base, I wanted to try something new: I made a moderate sea state. The shape of the waves were sanded in a polystyrene plate, which was covered with modeling paste to create the smaller waves. The splashes are stiffened tissues, which is a hint a read in David Griffiths book. I painted several shades of blue one over another and finished with a coat of gloss gel and white paint to represent the foam.

Overall I'm pleased with how she turned out, there of course is a lot of room for improvement but in general I'm happy with the result :smallsmile:

My next challenge will be a very special one; the Dutch light cruiser HNLMS de Ruyter in her 1942 configuration in 1/350.

Any hints and remarks will of course be appreciated!

Regards,

Bas

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That is very sharp. The whole thing is well done, but I especially LOVE the rigging. Phenomenal!

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Thanks Martin, really appreciated. :smallsmile:

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Bas, first I have to compliment you on the quality of your work. Both your Fletcher and your current build are first class efforts. There are those of us who have been building for years and couldn't match your work. I thought your brass replacement of the Trumpeter mast was genius.

I'm compelled to ask, why the layoff in building? Did you hit burnout from the details being thrown at you? I'm a strong believer in ignoring the rivet counters, especially on your first few builds. Concentrate on mastering the techniques of the hobby, which you seem to have done quite well.

I would like to ask you about your technique in painting your current build. How did you pull it off? Paint the deck first, then mask the deck and spray the vertical surfaces, adding the deck details later, or did you paint the vertical surfaces, then mask and spray the deck? Either way, I think your paint work turned out to be excellent.

I hope you will stay with the hobby - we all go through burn out phases - and that we will be seeing more WIP threads from you.

Respects,

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This looks great! Well done on all its' aspects (detailing, painting, presentation, ...)! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

I hope I can admire it in the flesh at one of the 'local' shows around here some time.

Cheers,

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Thanks guys!

Bob, as for your questions: the reason(s) I got away from the project were that in the meanwhile I got married, moved to another house and we recently had a baby :smallsmile: I just couldn't find the time to got back into it! I also built a submarine model in between (if you're interested, see this link) and the smaller parts of my model suffered some damage which was contributed to my cat who visited my desk at one day :mad_1:. Apart from that, as a newbie I'm also having some difficulties to look more ahead and prepare ALL small parts and then do all the painting at once. This and all above made my work a little inefficient.

As for the painting: I put as much as I could already together; the hull, deck & details, most part of the conning tower and the superstructure aft were already installed. See the picture below (apart from the most upper deck, this was dry-fitted just for the photo):

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I used WEM colourcoats; this was a much better choice than the Tamiya paints I used for my Fletcher model (which as you probably know are very difficult to paint by hand). First I applied a coat of Tamiya primer, then hull red, US navy blue for the lower hull, then the haze grey for the upper hull, superstructure and most of the smaller parts and last the very dark grey band at the waterline. The decks were subsequently painted by hand; I find this more convenient since I don't have to mask so much surface.

After that I applied some oil-paint filters for weathering, the white paint being the strongest. Last to do was a pin wash and of course the dry bushing, which are all tips I got from David Griffiths excellent book.

Thanks again for your kind words,

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Great build! You're progressing at flank speed. Keep up the good work.

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[quote="Bas"]Thanks guys!

Bob, as for your questions: the reason(s) I got away from the project were that in the meanwhile I got married, moved to another house and we recently had a baby :smallsmile: I just couldn't find the time to got back into it! I also built a submarine model in between (if you're interested, see this link) and the smaller parts of my model suffered some damage which was contributed to my cat who visited my desk at one day :mad_1:. Apart from that, as a newbie I'm also having some difficulties to look more ahead and prepare ALL small parts and then do all the painting at once. This and all above made my work a little inefficient.

Well, I suppose those will pass as weak excuses for neglecting one's modeling bench. Seriously, though, you did an excellent job on her. I've always been a big fan of DE's and especially the Buckley class. I'd love to see some of these "small boys" rendered in larger scales like 1/200 or 1/144.

Congratulations on a job well done, sir.

Bob M.

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You should try some of the 3-D printed 20 mm's. Much better and easier to deal with than the Model Master.

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Thank you all!

Robert, also thanks for your hint on the 3D printed 20mm guns. I used l'Arsenal 20 mm's and they are very good, however I'm having a hard time to get them properly aligned. They’re never perfect when I assemble them... I took a look at the 1/350 20mm's at 3dmodelparts.com. I think they are a bit rough for this scale, but maybe combined with the Master Models brass gun they might be just perfect for me. I recently started USS San Francisco CA-38 (the '44 variant), I need to build 26 of them so I'm still looking for an alternative. I will most likely get back to it; I intend to post a new WIP on my San Francisco, but don't blame me if it takes me (quite) a while again for this build! :heh:

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