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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:17 am 
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:wave_1: Hello to everybody in this forum. I will put the keel of the american heavy cruiser USS San Francisco, a veteran of Guadalcanal, and the one who gave the mortal blow to the HIJMS Hiei, nothing less than a battlecruiser (more properly, a fast battleship, under japanese designation). I will use Tom Modelworks's photoetched parts, the simple ones and some documentation, both of english and spanish origin (after all, I'm an Spaniard, and maybe I'll give you a different perspective of the whole affair of the Guadalcanal campaign. Btw, Guadalcanal, like Santa Cruz and Espiritu Santo are all spanish names, as was his discoverer, Alvaro de Mendaña, buth this is another history not covered here. Guadalcanal is the name of a small village close to Seville). Like all the prewar heavy cruisers, the New Orleans heavy cruiser class are sons of Washington Treaty's or Treaty of Washington (please, don't hesitate to correct my mistakes in English, after all, is not my mother tongue, and do the same with my modelist's skills, which are average to say the best). Well, after all this speech, let's go with the pictures.
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This is the front box, very nice.
Here is the content of the already mentioned box
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The etched parts, generic for heavy cruisers
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The camouflage scheme
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And, finally, the documentation
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I'll use too the books "La guerra naval en el Pacífico" (Naval war in the Pacific) of Luis de la Sierra a spanish Armada's officer who is very famous here. He fought in the Spanish Civil War and can give you the point of view of a naval officer.
And that's all, folks (I loved Bugs Bunnie's cartoons when I was a kid, consider this an homage).
Borja, CEO of Astilleros Zubimusu S.L./Zubimusu Shipyards Inc.

Hace a nice time, wherever you are

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:17 am 
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You might have picked a wrong forum to post your thread. Picture Post/Work in Progress might be more appropriate?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:30 am 
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It's been moved.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:39 am 
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I ignored the way of work of this forum, thank you for the explanations.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:45 am 
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I'm looking forward to this build. I have a soft spot for USN treaty cruisers.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:47 am 
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Hi Yorktown,

Ive seen the kit you have at the local hobby shop and have thought about getting it. Will be interested in what you do in the build for her. Hope to see some progress pics soon. Enjoy the build.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:39 pm 
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My company, Astilleros Zubimusu S.L., has, like the british Royal Navy, the french Royale or the spanish Armada, it's own traditions, the first one is to begin the historic/design part of the model before the construction.
First, what does it mean the word "cruiser"?. In everybody's mind is a ship of middle tonnage capable of sailing long journeys and able to defeat enemies of similar size. We can consider the portuguese "caravelas" as the first ones of these kind of ship, but they were more exploration vessels rather than combat ones. Another candidate is the spanish galleon, but is more related to man-O-war than a fast vessel. The first true candidate are the Dunkirk privateer ship, who fought for the spanish crown against its english and french enemies. From the Dunkirk's ship, the Dutch developed almost "au pair" with the english, the frigate, a ship capable of global deployment, fast and able to act as an explorer for the battle fleet, escort and attack of enemy convoys and so on. A small brother of the frigate was the corvette, a cheapest way of doing war. In 1812 the napoleonic war was over and the frigate reigned supreme as first true cruiser of history, but history and the Industrial Revolution had other plans for this beautiful sail ships, the invention of the steam engine and the iron and steel industry, changed all the way of doing war. That imposed new posibilities to the fleets but...new problems too, nor the minor the need of coal, but of these affairs we'll talk tomorrow, I don't want to bore you.
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Astilleros Zubimusu S.L. History department
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:50 am 
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Hi people, how do you do?. I need some small advices. I've just opened the box of the cruiser and I've found two big mistakes from the part of the people of Trumpeter. The first one are the 5"/25 guns, which are inaccurate, the second one is the propeller guard which is solid, wrong for Trumpeter's part. So, I need some replacement parts...please, where can I find eight (8) 5"/25 guns for this model?. And the second question...do you know a decent (good quality/price relation) photo etched set for this lady?.
Thank you in advance, some things are pretty hard to get here, in Spain.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:16 am 
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For the 5"/25 open mounts I am going to be picking these up: Veteran part number 35002. They come four to a pack so you will need two packs. I have used their 5"/38 open mounts and they are awesome!

Here is a link for them:
http://www.freetimehobbies.com/VTW35002/

As for the PE I think this set will work for both the '42 and '44 versions. And it has propeller guards in it.

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/GMM35044/

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:22 am 
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Thanks for the links, you've saved me the day, Gabriel!.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:02 am 
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btw, I've Tom Modelwork's basic set for the USS San Francisco in 1942. I want to know if it includes the propeller guards. It is so?. As I have no real clue of they are included on it or not, I'm looking attentively and I've the impression that they aren't present. Please, if somebody can show me the way...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:44 am 
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From the photos of the Tom Modelworks Basic set I can't see the propeller guard, I think they don't provide it.

By the way,have a look at this:

http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/pe ... tails.html

It's a bit more expensive, but the set have much more parts and it's well done.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:47 pm 
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merci beaucoup, I'll have to look for some shop here in Spain which has these photo etch, as the guns I find no more, either in the States or in Europe. I apologize to you as the work on this model will have to wait till I can have the items.
Thanks

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:22 am 
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Hi Yorktown.
I have this kit and its had its first primer coat.
I used the US Gold Medal Models frets and they have the prop guards and all thats ness to complete this fine ship.
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Hope you do not mind me showing you this picture. :wave_1:
All the best on your build.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:51 am 
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Dear Cornwall friend, I've to inform you that I felt a horrible envy watching your model, it looks great!. It will take me some time to get the fret of photo etched so, your pictures relieve me a little, you must know it, he, he, he. 1944, judging by the bofors sponsoons?.
Best regards from Spain

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:42 pm 
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Sorry for the delay, but it took me a true odissey to get the proper photoetched set and the guns for the secondary armament of my San Francisco. I've just begun the assemby process and this are the first pictures,
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There are some details missing, but the model fits perfectly.

I've just done the propeller guards and I want to make a comentary on the subject. Please, take a look
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They still need a retouch, but the work goes well anyway.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:48 pm 
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Make the comparation between these propeller guards, usual in french, british and american ships and these two examples from the Tirpitz and the Nagara, a japanese light cruiser.
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The Tirpitz's one is plegable, the second one is similar but a mix between the american and the german style.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:55 pm 
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My personal theory is based on the strategic situation of each country. For example, the US, UK and the french had bases around the globe, global commitments and, you know, is not the same the Athlantic ocean than the Pacific, a much easier seas. Another question is the fact that the quality of the crews of the tugs in Madagascar is not the same as in Southampton or Pearl Harbor. And a third question, in the japanese case, is the aeternal problem of weight excess of japanese designs. Based on their design principles, (first, you design the hull, then put the armament and then, the rest) it was usual for the japanese designs to be overweight, that was the reason for the linoleum planking and this seemingly strange propeller guard. For the germans, they were preparing themselves for a "guerre de course" and the only friendly ports where those of Germany itself.
I do this comentary in order to debate a little bit, not just talking about models, after all, they were war machines.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 2:35 pm 
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What are your impressions of the Trumpeter kit? I'm wanting to get another CA in 1/350 scale and it's on my radar. Should I go with the GMM set?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:37 pm 
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Hello Borja,

Great job so far. I will be looking forward in seeing some more progress on this model. Thank you so much for sharing with us.
Mark


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