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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:13 am 
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Hello everyone!

New project!

But with very old roots…

Flashback 29 years ago: this is me at age 11, proudly posing with my just finished Heller ‘Le Gladiateur’. Cute, no? :big_grin:
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Of course I didn’t know it is a fictitious ship, and I probably wouldn’t have cared. I remember I truly enjoyed building it, and it was by far the most complex model I had tackled by that time. Surely one of my best childhood modelling memories!

In the (toy)shops where I would find kits at that time, there was always a healthy selection of plastic ships of the age of sail. That, together with the decorative (sailing) ship models one often sees, made me believe this must be the most popular modelling subject.
Of course I learned later on that this is quite far from the truth… :smallsmile:

But anyway, I had an interest for ships of the age of sail anyway. One of my all-time ‘dream models’ is the Heller 1/100 Victory, already at that age. This plan faded when discovering the Verlinden magazines a couple of years later and getting into AFV dioramas, but it never really went away.

So now it is finally time for a man o’ war, and HMS Victory it will be! :smallsmile:
But since I’m a diorama modeller at heart, this is the scene I want to depict: Victory and Le Redoutable in close combat at Trafalgar:
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This painting is just inspiration, I won’t simply copy it but follow all the research I can lay my hands on.

1/100 scale would make for an enormous diorama, and many years of work. Too big for me… So I chose 1/300 scale instead, which enables me to use the Rod Langton kit of Victory.
Here is a beautiful build of the kit by Dr. Kerry Jang: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html

It is an expensive but nice kit with a resin hull, white metal decks, fittings, masts etc., and a couple of large PE sheets.
The diorama setting with lots of battle damage demands however that I will have to rework a lot of the kit items or replace them completely with scratchbuilt items.
But still much better than Le Redoutable, which I will need to scratchbuild completely!

The kit hull is a solid casting, meaning that most gun ports are mere recesses in the hull sides (to be painted black) with only a gun barrel sticking out of them. This can be fine for a solitary model, but for a ship in action I want more feeling of depth to the gun decks.
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The hull is shaped very well and has some beautiful details. I found the horizontal planking seams scribed in the hull sides a bit too heavy for the scale though.
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So, I filled the plank seams with putty and sanded them.
Next, I hollowed out the hull casting. I started by removing a central block by drilling around it with an 8 mm drill bit. Then I removed more material with a big round headed burr and conically shaped sanding drums in my Dremel. Next, I cut out all gun ports and windows (roughly with a small burr in the Dremel, then with scalpels and custom-made sanding sticks), and thinned the hull further with the sanding drums.
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The stern windows, and especially the galleries, proved a bit tricky at times. But with some smaller round headed burrs and some patience I managed.
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And to give you a feeling of the scale:
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There is not too much to see yet, even though this has taken me a fair number of hours. But all of this preparation should pay off later…

Next will be the instalment of the lower gun deck.

Cheers,

Marijn


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 5:36 am 
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Really looking forward to this!

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*placing seat in the first row*

I will be there! Watching you! Controling the game! One night in Portsmouth makes a hard man humble, between despair and ecstasy!

All the best, Daniel

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well now--that IS a good start !

giant 1/300 scale too eh!

certainly your hull casting is now much lighter...! :big_grin: :big_grin:

hehe!

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Will follow with great interest...


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Me too. Great work so far! But... is there a small piece missing or broken off on the left side?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:12 am 
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Many thanks everyone!

dafi wrote:
I will be there! Watching you! Controling the game! One night in Portsmouth makes a hard man humble, between despair and ecstasy!


You're referring to one of my favourite 80ies tunes! :)
And since I play in an 80ies coverband, I fully intend to learn that bassline one day... :)

JIM BAUMANN wrote:
giant 1/300 scale too eh!

Yes indeed! I'm already looking forward to converting and detailing the figures at this scale! :)

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certainly your hull casting is now much lighter...! :big_grin: :big_grin:

Unfortunately, I'm already in the process of adding quite a bit of weight to it again... :)

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But... is there a small piece missing or broken off on the left side?

Yes, and it is not that small either... :) I was too heavy handed during the early phases and broke it off. It should be too hard to rebuild, but maybe I will convert it to battle-damage? :)
I also stupidly drilled two big holes through the lower hull at the stern because of not thinking clearly (and working too enthousiastically and fast...). Luckily they will be easy enough to fix.
I hope this shows what an excellent modeller I am! :big_grin:

Cheers,

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Any idea what figures will form the base? Going from etched in this scale may look a bit odd... Northstar?

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(People were smaller then, so 1:350 might be just ok! :big_grin: )


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marijn van gils wrote:
Next, I hollowed out the hull casting. I started by removing a central block by drilling around it with an 8 mm drill bit. Then I removed more material with a big round headed burr and conically shaped sanding drums in my Dremel. Next, I cut out all gun ports and windows (roughly with a small burr in the Dremel, then with scalpels and custom-made sanding sticks), and thinned the hull further with the sanding drums.

I was thrilled that the resin hull broke into pieces while reading this. Great that it survived - fingers crossed!
I am sure this will become another great diorama.

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You... hollowed out a resin hull? You're insane, creative, courageous, and dedicated.... possibly in that order.

Definitely going to enjoy watching this!

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There isn't enough popcorn in the world...there just isn't...

:wave_1: :big_grin: :woo_hoo:

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Grabbed me a front row seat.


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Well, I've never seen resin sailing ship hull hollowed out before!

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Holy f**king cow, I would have shattered that hull into a million pieces and tossed in the bin by now. You are a lunatic. And I sincerely mean that in the nicest way possible...

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Another work of The Master and Comannder



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W O O H O O O ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

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Kometa wrote:
Another work of The Master Comannd



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! W O O H O O O ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

:woo_hoo:


Speaking of Master and Commander, I wonder what it would take to get Marijn to make a diorama of HMS Surprise taking on the Acheron, or possibly her Yankee foe from the novel(s)... :wave_1:

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Good start ... but I would be frightened by the rigging :woo_hoo:

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Wow! Just picked up my jaw from the floor.

This is going to be good. :thumbs_up_1:


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This is crazy (in a good way) :big_grin:

Looking forward to the progress!! I will take note since I always learn something new with your build threads.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:46 am 
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Many thanks everyone! :smallsmile:

EJFoeth wrote:
Any idea what figures will form the base? Going from etched in this scale may look a bit odd... Northstar?
(People were smaller then, so 1:350 might be just ok! :big_grin: )


That's a great graff Evert-Jan! :) I was counting on that idea indeed, and use 1/350 scale figures. Northstar are great and I have a couple of sets at home already, but I know Werner often finds L'Arsenal easier to convert because their resin is harder. I guess I'll try anything I can lay my hands on!
But if anyone would like to CAD-design 1/350 Napoleon era naval crew and marines, preferable both French and British, in action poses... :big_grin:

Goodwood wrote:
There isn't enough popcorn in the world...there just isn't...

Probably because this project will take toooo long... :big_grin:

Goodwood wrote:
Speaking of Master and Commander, I wonder what it would take to get Marijn to make a diorama of HMS Surprise taking on the Acheron, or possibly her Yankee foe from the novel(s)... :wave_1:

Give me a two years full-time wage, and we'll talk... :big_grin:

wefalck wrote:
Good start ... but I would be frightened by the rigging :woo_hoo:

That's a challenge I'm actually looking forward to (even though it will take a lot of work)! :)
The rigging will heavily damaged. That will pose some challenges in itself, but give me a bit of leeway on the other hand... :)
Not sure yet which materials and techniques I will use, so any inspiration or ideas are welcome!

Cheers,

Marijn


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