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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 3:44 am 
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I simply looooove the guy with the brush sweeping the shards on the balcony away!

:heh: :heh: :heh:

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dafi wrote:
I simply looooove the guy with the brush sweeping the shards on the balcony away!

:heh: :heh: :heh:

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Yes! Fully agree. :thumbs_up_1:

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Wouldn't recommend that brush to do any house cleaning though :heh:

Also: more kind words. :wave_1:


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This guy is a marine and marine wore boots at that time, I believe - but I wonder what an ordinary sailor would have done there with the shards on the floor (ok, there were facing more serious threats at that moment ...).

Perhaps, this would be also a good reason to use mica/muscovite for the glazing instead of glass. Mica doesn't give sharp shards when broken and is a lot softer (among the softest minerals around).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2024 6:27 am 
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Wouldn't recommend that brush to do any house cleaning though :heh:

Also: more kind words. :wave_1:

Well, it would be more accurate to call it a broom instead of a brush.
https://startsafety.uk/brooms-brushes#:~:text=Many%20people%20use%20the%20terms,and%20is%20used%20single%2Dhandedly.

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If we're talking about this guy I would call that a rifle...

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Ha! Once again EJ trumps us all !!

( though I nodded silently in agreement with previous comments! .......)

I dare say while locked in battle pounding out broadsides at 8 feet range, the broken glass maybe is not the priority, :heh:
but you never know....

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What amazing progress this. I cant get over studying every details of the hull usually, but now its all the human drama going on really taking its shape.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:20 am 
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:big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin:

And EJ is correct indeed (and I'm sure Dafi knew too :big_grin: )!
It is a marine, storming through the door to lay down musket fire from the balcony:
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I plan on adding two more figures near the broken part of the balcony balustrade: one shooting at Victory, and the other reloading his musket.

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I cant get over studying every details of the hull usually, but now its all the human drama going on really taking its shape.

Yes, I really love this too! And a lot of that still needs to be added… ;)
But now I will show the hull again, because I realized that it has been some time since I took overall pictures of the complete hulls.

Redoutable:
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Victory:
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And together:
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The hulls are almost ready now.
The next step is to add coils of rope to all the belaying points. But I’m now weathering the remaining 7 boats first, so meanwhile I can research better which lines go to which belaying point and what is their thickness.


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What a difference to the polished 'museum' models of these ships we normally see coming off the modelling slips. This give a real-life impression of how it had been at this decisive day :thumbs_up_1:

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wefalck wrote:
What a difference to the polish 'museum' models of these ships we normally see coming off the modelling slips. This give a real-life impression of how it had been at this decisive day :thumbs_up_1:


Yeah, this is way better than polished museum variants. I havent yet build a rigged ship of the line or a tall ship of any kind in plastic and small scale, but when I do I cant imagine not weathering them. So much story telling there.

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Yes, what a contrast!

It demonstrates clearly how bloody such battles had been.

An intact ship would be certainly look better, but not that dramatic.

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marijn van gils wrote:
... And together:
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The hulls are almost ready now...


Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. Victory was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, Redoutable a 'third-rate' two-decker of the Téméraire class with 74 guns .

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Thank you very much everyone! :smallsmile: :smallsmile: :smallsmile:

That is exactly what I'm trying to do and show! :smallsmile: :cool_1: :smallsmile:

Of course, it all depends on the story one wants to tell.
If you want to show the beauty and/or technical aspects of a vessel, a pristine museum-style model is probably the best way. But I like to tell the story of the purpose and use of these ships and (in the first place) the human drama involved, for which this style works better.
I don't think one is better than the other, just different. But for some reasons, we don't see too many sailing ships in this style...

Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. Victory was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, Redoutable a 'third-rate' two-decker with 74 guns of the Téméraire class.

Indeed Maarten!
And I like them both: the power and mass of the first rate, and the more elegant third rate... ;)


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Maarten Schönfeld wrote:
marijn van gils wrote:
... And together:
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The hulls are almost ready now...


Now for the first time this picture shows clearly how different the two ships were. Victory was a hefty 'first-rate' three-decker with 104 guns, Redoutable a 'third-rate' two-decker of the Téméraire class with 74 guns .


Yes, not much of an underdog the Victory was :heh:

Lets not forget through 60 pages that Redoutable here is scratchbuilt..

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Lets not forget through 60 pages that Redoutable here is scratchbuilt..


No, certainly not! It's entirely from scratch!

But as for Victory: the good hull was indeed from a resin kit. But Marijn started with carving out the hull completely and building up all of the details, and from there the two ships went almost side by side...

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Absolutely stunning work, and amazing artistry on display here!

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Thanks guys! :smallsmile: :cool_1: :smallsmile:


It is about time to add two boats to the skid beams of Victory. But I decided to also paint the other five remaining boats together.


I scratchbuilt them quite some time ago:
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The base colours were airbrushed with Tamiya and AK lacquer acrylics.

Only the varnished wooden elements (twarts, benches, floorboards, …) needed to be picked out by hand. I used AK 3th gen acrylics for that.
I started with a light sand colour (only the British and French barges are shown here, so I we can zoom in a bit):
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I painted over this with diluted brown, creating a light woodgrain effect by painting in the direction of the woodgrain. I started with a lighter brown and then added a darker one to emphasize the effect. When dry, I coated the ‘wood’ with acrylic satin varnish to get the varnished feel of the real thing:
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The rest of the painting process was the same as for the ships.
First some filters with different tones oil paints to add some colour variation. I tried not to get these on the varnished wood parts.
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Three of the boats have been damaged. I painted the base colour of the damage with Humbrol enamel (here only on the British barge):
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Now I shaded all the details with very dark brown oil paint:
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Next, I highlighted edges and details, and of course the damaged areas. I also used Humbrol enamels for that. Finally, I painted the small details (mast clamps, golden rim on the barge, rudder pins):
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For most of the boats, that was it!

The French barge:
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English 32ft barge:
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French cutter:
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British 34ft launch:
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British 28ft pinnace:
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The only clinker built boats were the smallest ones, the British 18ft cutter ('jollyboats'). I have two of them: the damaged one on Victory and the other one in the water.

Contrary of some of the more adventurous scratchbuilders here (I’m looking at you EJ and Eberhart! ;) ), I decided to build the hulls smooth and suggest the overlapping planks with paint only.

Smooth hulls:
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And the planks painted on with diluted oil paint:
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Painting these lines is of course fine work, so it does take a bit of time: about 45 minutes to one hour for each boat. But I’m guessing that’s still a lot less than actually building the overlapping planks (which I would never be able to do this finely anyway…).

But of course, these boats will mostly be viewed like this:
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Or even worse like this:
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Anyway, it was a fun challenge to render the clinker planking effect!

And a small reminder of the scale/size of these. This also gives a better idea how the painting effects look in real life (because they do look overdone when enlarged as much as in all the photos above).
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What a feast for the eye :-)

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Ahahahah

We were really looking forward from an update from you Marijn, but we weren't expecting the apperance of the HUGE HAND pic ;)

Excellent details and painting that makes the "little boats" at par with the big vessels - consistency is the word!
Bravo :)

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