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 Post subject: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:01 am 
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I started my first aircraft carrier, https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10345780. Everything looks really nice, parts are without trap, clear. However, in the instructions Fujimi does not specify what colors should be painted on the bottom deck of the ship. To simplify it, I attach photos of the parts I want. There are photos of this model on the internet, but the main deck is very poorly visible. I have all the paints according to the instructions, can anyone tell me which specific colors should these parts be painted? Thanks in advance
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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:51 pm 
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I don't have the Fujimi kit, so I'm not sure if any of the parts have linoleum tie-down lines indicating linoleum.

A11 & A12 are gray, typically the decking of U1 would be linoleum, and the decking in front of the vertical surfaces of C2 would also be linoleum.


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:56 am 
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Thanks, Dan. I thought so and that's how my question is. From the instructions of the instructions, it appears that the foredeck and stern deck are painted in the color of camouflage, which is in this place on the side. I did not like it, just like you, but this way of painting also results from a series of photos on the internet
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All photos on the net I found, Korean-Japanese-Chinese blogs seem to suggest even more, namely that the items on board (davits, superstructures, etc.) are painted with the color of such camouflage, which is on the side below, unless the manual is otherwise (see anti-aircraft artillery, lifeboats). I'll look at it, but I think I'm inclined to this way
P.S. There is no linoleum color in the set


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:36 am 
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Oh, that's a baby! I still can not get used to this scale. Well, slowly things are going to happen ...
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The worst thing that annoys me the most is masking ...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:49 pm 
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Nice!
I love Zuiho in late war camo, so I will follow this one with interest.

Masking can take quite some time indeed, but there is no way around it if you want clean results. Don't be affraid to use even smaller bits of tape if necessary. You can easily cut it length-wise with a sharp blade and apply with tweezers if necessary.

Just out of interest: Dan, is there any evidence that suggests parts of ships remained grey after the green camo scheme was applied?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:47 pm 
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I have seen all manner of representations of the camo paint on the horizontal surfaces. Unfortunately, the few photos that exist are b & w, so accurate interpretations of the applied colors are subjective at best. My sense is that any horizontal surface covered by the flight deck would remain grey; after all, what's the point of painting them with camo? Most Japanese references seem to indicate that other exposed surfaces such as the extreme bow and stern, catwalks, and AA bandstands were painted in lighter greens.

But, no absolute proof exists, so I think its the modeler's choice. FWIW...........


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:43 am 
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Many thanks Dan!
Very interesting indeed.


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:51 am 
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We are moving forward slowly ... The shipyard almost finished the stern deck preparing for the position of the aircraft deck
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The works focus on the foredeck, its armament and supports of the upper deck. He just scares me the most, because if I think how to mask it and paint all these colors in different configurations, I do not know how I can deal with it ... :-?


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:06 am 
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Hello, all.
Maybe a bit too early, but I have to think about it somehow. In Fujimi's instructions, there is no such thing as below (I mean the side security of the air board)
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The instructions are simply four vertical pillars. I am thinking about making such protections, but this is related to the change in the fastening of the above pillars in order to place them completely flat. It requires considerable changes in their construction.
However, they are constructed in such a way that, without any combination, they can be deflected outwards at an angle of about 45-55 degrees
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Will such an execution be a grossly blatant mistake, or is it acceptable?


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:23 am 
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Perhaps someone else understands your question as I'm not really sure what you are asking. Please clarify.


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:42 am 
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Well, that's my ignorance of the language, I'm sorry,I will try to correct it


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:50 am 
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It's about side construction. In Fujimi's instructions there's no such thing. Those four masts are positioned vertically and there's nothing going on with them. If you want to position them horizontally, you'd have to completely change their construction which would entail lots of work. Without lots of fuss, you could only tilt them at about 50 degrees. My question is, is it acceptable to do that or is it going to cause any major errors?


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:57 pm 
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Do you mean the antenna masts that extend from the sides? They were rigged vertically while the ship was steaming regularly, and then lowered to the side parallel to the deck when conducting flight ops, in a similar fashion to the Essex-class.

I'm not entirely certain what their purpose was, but I do know that they would either be vertical or horizontal—if you wanted them to sit at some point in between, it could certainly make for an interesting diorama depicting a carrier going through the transition. But that might be more work than you would be looking to do, especially given the size of 1/700 crew...

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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:59 pm 
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I understand. Well, they are supposed to be in the down position for flight operations. The only time the masts would be at an angle id while being raised or lowered into position.

I don't have the Fujimi kit. After looking at some on-line instructions, I do wonder if the illustration about the mast part (D18) indicates it can be posed in the down position. It looks like the bottom of the mast has an orientation for down. Maybe not.

Any board members that can chime in?


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:45 am 
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You guys explained the subject to me. I know what I should do, thank you very much for your help
Greeting :thumbs_up_1:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:43 am 
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Gentlemen, I think that the starboard side is almost ready for the air decks
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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:10 am 
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Left side prepared...
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Now camouflage the air deck ...


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:51 am 
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Coming along well.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:47 am 
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Thanks Dan, I'm trying :big_grin:


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 Post subject: Re: IJN Zuiho 1/700
PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:12 am 
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I need your help guys. Fujimi is not planning to make a protective net like Hasagewa on the included picture
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but I'd like to make one myself. I found a net of this type.
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Do you think I can use this color? And how wide should the net be? Thank you in advance.


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