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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:42 am ]
Post subject:  1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

I like doing more ships at the same time...new project in the dry dock...a four-stacker I will do as DD301 USS Somers

first...hull...put together...and decided where black waterline should be cause nothing on mirage hull gives this line

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Mon Nov 26, 2018 7:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

checked out some stuff...realised there is a big basic difference with the Heller kits done so far...the main deck isn't inside hull...but placed on top of hull...so...must make supports in order to enlarge where needed to have perfect fit...
now the other problem coming with it.. I will have to paint hull top part with deck already glued on in order not to have a line where deck glued on hull....used to do the 2 separated

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

put deck on..corrected small uneven things and put propeller shaft on...ready for paint

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

and with a little paint...it looks better
I must say these small mirage kits are more and better detailed than heller...

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Author:  kurusu [ Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

If you check the footage I added in Jim Baumann's Normandie thread, you will see one of those destroyers passing at 2.47 in the video.

Author:  Triumph68 [ Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

its DD 248 USS Barry...good image btw

Author:  Triumph68 [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

a few things done...putting together...cut and replace...well...you know the usual stuff lol
above main deck its only dry fitted and fixed not more than 1 floor up
I bought the WEM PE4015 to complete and improve her....like the bridge windows

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

added rings on chimney's...did top of hull in light grey....not happy with it ...will have to see how gonna correct it

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

I just found this tread here ..Calling all USS Wickes and Clemson class Four Piper fans
gonna try doing many of the big scale details done and scale it down to 1/400...a nice challenge
a first small thing...the 2 stearing wheels...yes the handles are to long....will be cut to size ones dry and hard

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Author:  Rick E Davis [ Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

I don't know why or for what timeframe you are modeling your model of USS SOMERS (DD-301). But, she served from commissioning in June 1920 to decommissioning in April 1930 and subsequent scrapping in late 1930, and had some configuration mods done that were common for the flush-deckers.

I only have a couple of images of USS SOMERS (DD-301), this one would show her from about 1922 to about 1927, when she had two searchlights on her tower.

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

I've been searching now some time for pics of her...have a few...also the one you have...but you never know...not sure myself of what timeframe ...she was only 10 years active and only in peace time so...she probably had less modifications than those still in commission when attack on Pearl harbour
I'l do her probably as commissioned initially (to hard to find her specific upgrades and modifications)...and as Somers...cause that's my name lol

Author:  Triumph68 [ Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

I decided to do her as she was mid 1920's...with the extra gun platform, just behind searchlight tower....like in the picture where she is with USS Langley...anybody knows how many and what guns she had on top of that platform?
btw...I'm doing 2 ships USS Somers at same time..as a gift for family...of course I will finish them with a own personalized plexi box and on a wooden base

Author:  Triumph68 [ Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

the little pieces...per ship and details done on 1...will have to be done same on other ship....don want jealousy in the family

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Author:  Rick E Davis [ Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

To answer your question. As for the platform aft of the searchlight platform, I don't think that guns were mounted there. Look at the image third from the bottom on USS SOMERS (DD-301) Navsource page. Even though that area of USS SOMERS can't be seen, that area can be seen on her DesDiv sisters moored with her. A single water cooled 50-cal MG mounts would be seen, even if the gun its self was removed. See the attached image from another flushdecker in the mid-1920s showing the platform without the canvas on the rails, it looks like the platform was the aft emergency con station with minimal navigation equipment. Lewis 30-cal MGs may have been able to be used on that platform, but given its function, that is unlikely.

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

been looking big time...no clear pictures of it to be found...most pictures of the fourstackers is after 1940 ...during war...or later

Author:  Rick E Davis [ Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

The other thing is, that the location of the boats at that time, made this platform handy for loading and handing the boats.

Here are some more images of that area. I had to go through almost 1200 Flush-decker images I have scanned. But first a short history of the alterations to this area on Flush-deckers.

As built there were variations between yards and as changes were made to "improve" the design. But, they universally had only one searchlight aft of the stacks.

Sometime in the early 1920's, the USN altered the searchlight platform to have two searchlights and this platform.

Starting in 1927 and by 1930 or so, the USN altered surviving active duty units returning to one searchlight on the searchlight platform. And then at some point, that platform one level below the searchlight platform was shortened to only under the searchlight.

Leading up to the US entry in and during WWII, there multiple changes going on. The searchlight platform was replaced with a all new platform that could support at first three 50-cal MGs and then one or two 20-mm guns.

Note on the first two images that this platform isn't very robust, It never would be able to support a larger caliber gun. And it appears that the platform deck is largely empty except for items being stowed there. I now don't think that con station equipment was located in this are or under the searchlight.

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In this photo dated in June 1927, the number of searchlights has been reduced to ONE, but the lower platform is still there. Note that the crew has stowed a work boat on the platform.

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

wow...txs a lot those are the best shots I've seen so far from that area
I'll have to shorten what I made so far..its smaller than I thought...and I agree...not much on top of it...it might have been used as secondary observation platform...the view both sides from the middle and rear is very good and a few men on top there can help searchlight to find target

Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

some stuff made scratch....like ammunition rack for main guns..I opted for a 5 shell reserve and not the 10 you see in some images, as she was only on active duty during peace time...5 rounds per gun is largely enough
added a small thing on torpedo launcher...will be used to fix an extra line on it
and a global view of the two, dry fitted
I'll be stressed ...have a deadline to finish them both..26 Dec

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

all main guns done for both, some more painting and some small things done taking much time...put only 1 dryfit..the other is at same stade

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Mirage four-stacker, DD 301 USS Somers

done a few super small things...I agree own input as no pictures show part in between 2 forward castles...well much modifications have been done and so many different versions of four stackers...so I just put some stuff I thought nice...it will look different once painted...but wanted to show how I made it
added a table and 2 pipes in bridge...painted walls white to give better visibility inside bridge
and of course...both ships same

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