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Author:  gtbred [ Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:43 pm ]
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Anybody working on their flattops? :shipcaptain:

Author:  Pieter [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:20 pm ]
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Still working on my flattops, I am just not spending much time on documenting them.
But I did take some pictures yesterday. All in 1/700 as usual.
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My current ambition is to have HMAS Melbourne finished by the end of the month.
This started as a relatively straightforward conversion of the L'Arsenal Colossus which managed to get slightly out of hand when I was tackling the island. An original kit (of HMS Glory this time) can be seen in the background.
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Author:  gtbred [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:30 pm ]
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That is great work your doing in a small scale. 4 at the same though. beats me! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Author:  Pieter [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:50 pm ]
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You can also say that I have the attention span of a gnat -:) My carriers are very long time builds and they 'feed' of each other. Some of the Gannets you can see on Melbourne were started when I was working on my pre- Orange Hobby era Victorious. I have a stash of semi-finished deck gear, radars and crew figures for the same reason. There is a bit of order in three of these flattops though. I want to do a Colossus class as built (Glory) , basically modernized (Melbourne) and radically modernized (Karel Doorman). As Doorman is by far the most difficult as a conversion and also the best documented on the web (= no excuse to leave off detail) she will probably be finished last. Doorman is also the odd one out. I am using the HP kit as as baseline as it lends itself better to the heavy resin surgery needed - almost every sponson or platform needs to be cut away or moved. And as I have an open elevator in that build I can at least share pictures here of some 1/700 aircraft no one will ever see anymore...

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Author:  Mark McKinnis [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:11 pm ]
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Nice looking work Pieter!


I am finishing up a 1/350 JFK. Arming A-4Cs and doing up the yellow gear. I need to figure out some 1/350 F-4B Sidewainder pylons with missiles.

A 1/350 Kearsarge SCB-27A. I got the deck done and I am doing the catwalks and gun tubs now.

A 1/350 Intrepid SCB-125 ship. The air wing is done. It is kind of waiting on the Kearsarge so I have a pattern to do the early SCB-125 era with the 3" mounts still intact.

CVW-9 Nimitz 1991 is being constructed. When that gets done, I will start on the ship.

And finally, a 1/700 Midway. I am working on that air wing as well. It will be a 1986 era with Phantoms, Corsair II, Intruders, Hawkeye's, Prowlers, and a couple of A-3Ds to round her out.

To keep me distracted I have a couple of 1/72 Navy Phantoms (VF-102 & VF-103) starting and a 1/144 787-9 to be completed in the Air New Zealand Livery.

Maybe I can get some photo's of the mess in progress. I wish that I could retire. Work is getting in the way! :cool_2:

Author:  gtbred [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:42 pm ]
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So I'm not the only one doing more than one build. Norfolk Mark has been busy. :thumbs_up_1:

Author:  ModelMonkey [ Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:00 pm ]
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Echoing what Mark said, very inspiring work!

Mark, that's quite a shipyard you've got going!

My 1/350 Saratoga CV-3 hull suffered a serious accident earlier this year. The hull warped in the sun and I damaged it badly trying to correct the warp. So, a new hull has been framed out and it's planked about 50%. I've also begun to build some F6F Hellcats for both Sara and a 1/350 Yorktown CV-10 I've been nursing for years as well as adding PE catwalks to CV-10. Those two models are my "make the world go away" therapy builds. Working on them is so calming and since there is always some new-found detail that can be added to model ships, are they ever really done? Love the work.

After seeing so many great carrier builds here, I've decided to go back to a model I built years ago, my wedding present from my then new spouse, a 1/350 Tamiya Enterprise CVN-65, and improve it by giving it a hangar deck. I've pulled off the flight deck which went much better than expected but that's as far as the project has gotten. I hope to design some more accurate 3D-printed jet blast deflectors for it and I'm toying with the idea of correcting the bottom of the hull at the transom. The real ship had a more pronounced v-shaped bottom than does the kit. Big project to make the change, though. Still, it would be fun.

Author:  Pieter [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:05 am ]
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Mark, you seem to be doing the same as Walter of IPMS-NL's warships in 1/350 group. So for carriers multiple parallel builds seems to be the rule rather than the exception.

Author:  Mark McKinnis [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:12 pm ]
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Pieter wrote:
Mark, you seem to be doing the same as Walter of IPMS-NL's warships in 1/350 group. So for carriers multiple parallel builds seems to be the rule rather than the exception.



Well, I have the attention span of a kitten so I jump back and forth between them. I do not think that it is the efficient way to go but it is a way.

Author:  JimVarnellABH2USN [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 5:32 pm ]
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Well guys the work on the carriers is most outstanding, as for doing multiple builds I love doing that when I am working in 700, works best for me when I am working with general PE and I'm building mirror image ships. Now, when working in 350 I've not tried the multiple build process but might give it a world when I move into the new house and have access to all my materials and ships. I think though if I where to do a multiple build it would be a couple of battleships or something of that nature. I think I would loose my mind doing two supercarriers at the same time.

Author:  Edward Wilson [ Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:59 pm ]
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Steve-
I've been procrastinating on my Tamiya CVN-65 build because of the hanger (Which Greg just solved!) and than bloody lower hull. I spent 6 years on that ship, including 3 months scraping Rad_Con samples off the hull, and that stern shape makes me crazy! I was going to cut the stern off (below the waterline) and rib and skin with styrene to fix it, but a 3D printed insert would be awesome and worth the cost I think.

Author:  kidcurrie42 [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:08 am ]
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Seems like you lot are all busy on your Carriers, I am working on a Conversion of the Revell C3 Freighter Hawaiian Pilot into the USS Tangier AV-8 Seaplane tender, then I can hopefully get back on track with a real Carrier build.

Happy Modeling

John

Author:  ModelMonkey [ Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:56 am ]
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Edward Wilson wrote:
Steve-
I've been procrastinating on my Tamiya CVN-65 build because of the hanger (Which Greg just solved!) and than bloody lower hull. I spent 6 years on that ship, including 3 months scraping Rad_Con samples off the hull, and that stern shape makes me crazy! I was going to cut the stern off (below the waterline) and rib and skin with styrene to fix it, but a 3D printed insert would be awesome and worth the cost I think.

Hi Ed and thanks for your service and your comments!

I'm afraid a 3D-printed hull correction is not practical for a number of reasons. Most importantly for the modeler, the area needing replacement would be quite large (maybe too big for most printers) making the part prohibitively expensive to print, perhaps twice the cost of the Tamiya kit (or more). The cost to print it would be so high that no one could/would buy it.

But that's just the cost to print it. Then there is the cost to design it, which would have to be added on.

For the designer, creating parts to match plastic kit hull sections is technically very difficult, costly and time consuming. To design a part with compound curves that would match the kit's hull's compound curves, the part would likely have to be designed iteratively. In other words, an expensive donor Tamiya kit gets cut up, the curves are measured, and a new part is designed to fit and printed based on those measurements. Then the new 3D-printed part (paid for by the designer) gets test-fit to the kit hull which will be a close fit but not quite match. The CAD design is then tweaked to produce a second part that fits better. Then, 3D-printed part version 2.0 is printed (paid for by the designer) and the process repeats until a perfect match is achieved. This process becomes extremely costly for the designer, not only in buying the test pieces and the donor kit, but also the time to design it (time=money). The cost of design time for such an effort would likely dwarf the cost to print it. All of that design time, the test pieces and the donor kit has to be paid for. So those costs would have to be passed on to potential customers or eaten by the designer and his family.

I'm afraid that once a kit manufacturer pooches a hull, 3D generally cannot fix it in a practical or affordable way.

For my Tamiya kit, if I decide to correct the hull, it will be a scratch-building project, one that has its own issues and challenges. Not sure yet whether that is worth it. But that hull bugs me - the proverbial itch that requires a scratch.

Author:  gtbred [ Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:36 pm ]
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kidcurrie42 wrote:
Seems like you lot are all busy on your Carriers, I am working on a Conversion of the Revell C3 Freighter Hawaiian Pilot into the USS Tangier AV-8 Seaplane tender, then I can hopefully get back on track with a real Carrier build.

Happy Modeling

John

Hey John good hearing from you! Looking forward on your coming builds! :thumbs_up_1:

Author:  Mark McKinnis [ Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:16 pm ]
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Here are a few shots of the JFK with CVW-1 1969. I had to do a lot of modifying on the Island to return it to the original configuration. The Hanger Bay was scratch built with a lot of 3D Printed equipment from Greg at Bacon Fist Models.

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Author:  Mark McKinnis [ Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:21 pm ]
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Here is the SCB-27A Kearsarge. This is a 1/350 Trumpeter Ticonderoga CV-14 Kit with the Iron Shipwright SCB-27A resin update set. I did the blisters by adding styrene sheets to the sides and blending them in. It still needs a lot of work. The Island is from Model Monkey 3D Printing. The aircraft are L'arsenal Spads, Panthers, and Banshee's. Trumpeter Corsairs and a 3D Printed AJ-1 Savage.

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Author:  gtbred [ Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:40 pm ]
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Nice builds Mark! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Author:  Pieter [ Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:02 pm ]
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Love that Kearsarge.

Author:  ModelMonkey [ Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:36 pm ]
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:big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin:

Author:  Pieter [ Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:46 pm ]
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The 'yard always works better when I have a deadline to work for so I promised to take Melbourne to ESM in Houten last saturday. I also decided to take my not-started-yet HMS Glory with me in order to show where I started some years ago and Victorious also had to come along for the outing.
Melbourne is not fully finished yet as i still have to scratchbuild a crash crane but the airgroup is on. I went for a mid-60s airgroup, launching Fairey Gannets with a deck park containing Sea Venoms and Wessex helicopters while preparing to refuel one of her escorts. Its the kind of scene cold war era photographers seem to have been fond of though one wonders about the risk of doing both operations at the same time in a real war situation.
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I could not resist showing one Gannet unfolding itself so it looked like a....gannet.
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Fairey names seems to have been related to the looks of the aircraft though there are exceptions (swordfish anyone?). For the escort I was planning to do one of the anzac class destroyers and layed out the water base to do this but I found out that both of them were no longer serving as escorts by the mid-60s. So I took a deep breath and took the plunge... HMS Aisne is a somewhat radical conversion of a HP models Agincourt to a radar picket. Aisne arrived at the show with only half her type 965 radar. Luckily I found the other half and its glued on again.
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And I could no resist playing with the light a bit.
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