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 Post subject: 1/700 SMS König
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:44 am 
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Hello everyone,

I hope you are all good. I started a new ship model, the SMS König in 1/700 from the ICM kit. I also have the Flyhawk upgrades and plan to use them. I want to make the version from 1916. The kit is very nice but as everything, there is room for improvement. As reference I am using the plans from the publication "Planmappe: Linienschiffe Ostfriesland und König" from Gerhard Koop and Klaus-Peter Schmolke, Bernard & Graefe Verlag. These are very nice drawings, but part of the superstructure is from very late war. I also will use the drawings included in the Kombrig kit.

I started with the hull. I am going to do it full-hull as all my other ships. I am in the process of cleaning up the seams and sharpening some parts of it.
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I also started with the cleanup of the decks. Some sharpening of bulkheads to have them nice and straight. Some filler will be needed in the future.
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As part of the assembly, the secondary 15cm guns casemates have to be installed. There is definitely room for improvement for these ones. The kit part is only a cylinder with the gun barrel. The Flyhawk upgrade provides the metal gun barrels, but the casemate also has square openings and in that scale, it would be difficult to achieve. I could not find any aftermarket ones that could be used. I can do one scratch, but I need 14 and they have to all look the same, so the solution would be to make one digitally and 3D print it.
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The design is very simple, just a cylinder with the right dimensions, substract the boxes of the right dimensions and position. The gun opening is two cylinders joined by a box, combined together and substracted from the main cylinder. I am in no way a 3D designer, I just watched some tutorial videos and used free software. I am trying to learn a bit more, but just for this small things. I don't want to spend too much time in front of the computer.
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Some time ago I got one of those cheap 3D resin printers, really an entry model level "just to see" how it works. It is not very reliable, but with some trial and error some good things can be achieved. This is what came out of the printer.
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These are already cut out and primed. I think that for a cheap printer, the results are OK.
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A comparison with the kit part.
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as always, coments and critique are welcomed :wave_1:

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 Post subject: Re: 1/700 SMS König
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:38 am 
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They definitely look better than the kit parts. I drilled small holes either side of the gun aperture, but they didn't come out too even!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:35 pm 
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Wow. Those are really impressive!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:32 pm 
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May I ask what free software you use
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 Post subject: Re: 1/700 SMS König
PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:57 pm 
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Thank you drasticplastic, Martin, and steviecee.

@steviecee: for this simple part I used Meshmixerfrom Autodesk. Another good one for simple stuff is 3D Builder that comes with Windows 10. For more complicated stuff, FreeCAD would be used, but that is a lot more complicated.

This is how the assembled and casemates with the barrels look like. For comparison, the kit part is in there.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:49 pm 
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Looks like a good start

if the wooden parts of the decl have butt edns moulded in...

herewth my advice....
( paste from my posting at steel navy )

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DISCLAIMER !!!
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The following opinion is my personal biased view....

which of course may well be right!!
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Stretched Sprue lends itself well to making near perfect fillers for the often w-a-y over-scale moulded and cast 'trenches' ...

... that are intended to represent the butt ends on a planked deck.

Should they be visible or not in small scale ??--

I guess that is another whole thread, (!!!)


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But in my instance --to get rid of the butt ends especially in 1/700 -( where I perceive the as REALLY over-scale)
==> but also in 1/350 .

I use stretched sprue, glue it in with a droplet of CA ==> not polystyrene glue/ liquid or otherwise

as I don't want to soften/ distort the edges of the fore and aft plank caulk lines( in plastic)
( which of course also over-scale-- but my eyes are happier with that,,,,

When adhesive has set,

I pare away the top radius of the stretched sprue in its 'trench' with a razor blade or scalpel until flat and homogeneous with the plank

Once painted--the plank ends are almost invisible.

But--- can be picked out - if desired- using differing shades of paint or in many instances gently indicated with a hard pencil sharpened to a blade shape on 2000 grit sandpaper

It sounds very tedious...

but actually it is not ( really...)

I usually fill a whole aft deck/ foredeck with sprue all at once ,then move on another deck or process,

-- once CA is fully set , I run the blade fore and aft along the planks, to trim the sprue in line fore and aft,

I then pare away at 45 degrees across to flatten, using a razor blade and or various scalpel blades.

Hope to help...---
but NOT to stir up a Hornets nest!!

Happy Modelling
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 Post subject: Re: 1/700 SMS König
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:00 am 
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Hello Jim, :wave_1:

I hope you are well in this situation.. yes, now that you mention it, they are there and are a bit pronounced. I have seen discussions about this before. I would not mind if they were not so "symmetrical".
What I am doing and going to do is to remove nearly all deck fittings, and replace them with PE. I got inspired by George Pek's Barham, so I am anyways cutting and sanding the deck.

What I do is a trick from scale airplane modeling. Say you have some panel lines, but an ugly seam goes through. What I do is score the line using the molded line as guide before and sand a little, then score again, and sand, and so on and so on... in combination with some sprayed on primer. It also helps that the panel (or plank in this case) will have straight edges.

I already started with that as shown in the pictures. The port side is not yet sanded, and the starboard side is in the process.
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I worry that if I fill them, I am going to end up with a lot of little bumps or double butt-ends, as I am not so dexterous with a straight edge. I will end up digging holes on the deck. I will certainly try it on practice decks anyways, and I thank you for the advice. What do you think?

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That looks pretty OK !
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Biggest problem with over pronounced butt ends is

( especially on commercial 'wood' decks

that one can with decks that look like a chessboard...

with all the skylights--remember they all had lids-
-and many of them were open --even under way
I used small squares of paper or sometimes PE

if you open the skylights
( rather than just black them in --which in 1.700 can look just fine BTW )

you can clean up the aperture frame with a piece of PE square(s) cut from larger scale fine ladderstock...


encs a REALLY brutal close-up of my 1/350 Koenig build from 2001 ...
...eeek- !!!! - I remember now the raised plank lines...!!

pre digital camera and pre - optivisor it seems .... !!
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showing the open skylights which ado add a bit of texture to the aft deck


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:53 am 
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It is great to see you back on ships Eric! :wave_1:

This thread has only just started, and I already learned 2 different techniques to get rid of molded butt-ends from it. :smallsmile: :thumbs_up_1:

The 3D-prints look great too! :thumbs_up_1:


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Looking forward for more…
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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2020 10:29 am 
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Thank you Jim, I have been studying the pictures of your model for reference.

Thank you Marijn and Greg! I really appreciate it :wave_1:

A small update.

I added the docking keels to the hull, as shown here in a picture of Kaiser. The Kaiser class had a nearly identical hull, so I thought it would be a good reference.

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I used some styrene strips to make them
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You can actually see them... I guess...
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comments and critique very welcomed! :wave_1:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:35 am 
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Hello everyone,

At last I had some time to work on the model and share some progress here. The deck was painted, using different colors to remove some uniformity. What i did is I painted a base color:
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Then cut out strips of masking tape to represent planks and place them around randomly.
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Then airbrush the second color.
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I did this three times.

After removing all the masking tape, it looks horrible.
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But then just with the lightest colour, I airbrush a very light and diluted coat. The results is a very subtle color variation between planks.
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After this, I will paint the hull and work on the superstructure


As always, comments and critique welcomed! :wave_1:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:34 am 
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It is and looks like a very nice technique, I once tried it but it came out much too rough (overscale :scratch:) How do you ensure that the pieces of masking tape are equal in width and not overscale?

the deck sure looks nice now, though I do ask myself whether it isn’t a little bit (“too”) light for a wooden deck?

Anyway this is shaping up to be very nice, and indeed much and much nicer than my König 1/700 model which was my build since my hiatus. Compliments so far

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:56 pm 
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Thank you for the comment Gerco!

To ensure that the masking tape is of the same width (and length) I use this tool:

http://infini-model.com/index.php/portfolio/it3001v1/

The smallest width is 0,4mm. I guess it is OK for 1/700. It is a very useful tool that has many other uses.

Yes you are right, the deck appears a bit too light. I think it is also because of the low quality photographs and lighting. Once it has a darker wash it should look ok. If that doesn't work, then another coat with a darker tone should work. We will see...

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