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Author: | Quincy [ Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 West Virginia 1941 & USS California 1941 (Pit-Road |
A 1/350 Hiryu, now 1/700 USN ships????? I blame it on 2020!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() Bob Pink ![]() |
Author: | MartinJQuinn [ Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 West Virginia 1941 & USS California 1941 (Pit-Road |
Quincy wrote: now 1/700 USN ships????? I blame it on 2020!!!! Or, this caused 2020... ![]() Nice to see you finally kick start this thread. |
Author: | Dan K [ Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:30 pm ] | ||||||||
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Thx, guys. Yeah, my gyros are clearly off. Can't seem to shake it, though. Here’s a couple of detail shots of the Five Star MD/WV set parts for the bulkhead that separates the upper and main decks. The Five Star set is fairly comprehensive, but the brass is very thin and easy to bend, particularly the railings. The additional compartment at the base of the bulkhead is well documented for WeeVee, but less so for CA. As I recently conjectured in the CASF Pre-War Big Five thread (viewtopic.php?f=47&t=30407&start=300#p903268 ), there seems to be something there, though it's not entirely clear what. I chose to duplicate the base as carried on West Virginia. Because of the overhanging RDF platform on West Virginia, this bulkhead had to be detailed in place. On California, I was able to complete it separately and then slip it into place and glue solid. A set of lower ladders will be installed later. I also gussied up the vents sitting to either side of the #3 barbette on West Virginia. (California’s are not complete just yet.) Interestingly, those on WeeVee appeared to have been much taller than the other sisters, a detail that Pit-Road/Trumpeter got right.
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Author: | taskforce48 [ Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 West Virginia 1941 & USS California 1941 (Pit-Road |
MartinJQuinn wrote: Or, this caused 2020... ![]() Eagerly awaiting more of this Dan! A builder of your talent tackling these lovely battle wagons... will be poetry in plastic. Matt |
Author: | marijn van gils [ Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:07 am ] |
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Subscribed! |
Author: | Dan K [ Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:55 am ] | ||||||||||
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Progress has been slow but steady. I focused next on some of the deck equipment, vents, ladders, turrets, brass barrels, and the catapult for #3 turret. I used the Five Star catapults for both ships though, truth be told, there were subtle differences in the trestle support structure used for the Tennessee class versus that of the Colorados. I also considered using the fine version from the Tom’s US Early Battleship fret, but that unit is better suited for the earlier standard battleships. The FS catapult was not a perfect fit for either type turret. Some of the underlying brass had to be cut away to fit properly, though the cut can’t be seen. The FS unit is very nicely done, but missing the piston and brake buffer assembly. So, I scratch-built something that looked somewhat like those components. I suppose now is a good time to point out that the FS instructions are not up on the same level as the parts themselves. There are many components that are provided for in the PE set but are simply not referred to in the instructions. I’ve no idea why. Other assemblies are incompletely labeled. It’s a bit frustrating. Among the components were a couple of flywheels that I used for the ends of the piston. Among some other equipment tweaks was my arranging small hawser reels and paravanes on the #2 barbette as per the available photography of late 1941. West Virginia appeared to have stored paravanes only on its #2 barbette, while California had a mix of reels and paravanes using an asymmetrical arrangement. I went with some very small Pit-road NE series reels instead of fashioning completely new ones from wire. I also noticed that California’s film projection shack atop the ventilator is actually sitting on short legs. I modified my part to match, though it’s not highlighted with a great shot.
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Author: | Dan K [ Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:59 am ] | |||||||||
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Everything on hand was then painted and attached.
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Author: | Vladi [ Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 West Virginia 1941 & USS California 1941 (Pit-Road |
Looking really good, Dan! Fingers crossed ![]() |
Author: | Dan K [ Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:20 pm ] | |||||||
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WeeVee's basic bridge structure is ready for paint. I used the FiveStar parts where possible, plus a few tweaks. The FS set has a rear bulkhead for use at the rear base of the superstructure, but I ended up not using it. Initially, because the FS set is not really accurate with regard to the shape of the platforms back there. The kit itself has a more accurate layout, just no detail. I ended up using the FS platforms anyway. I can't even explain why at this point. Other things, like the flag bags are not completely accurate in shape, either, but I just went with these. I did add a protruding line of railing at the top of flag bags so as to have a solid surface to tie off halyards against.
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Author: | Dan K [ Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:45 pm ] | |||
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And funnels....
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Author: | Dan K [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:38 pm ] | ||||
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Some quick updates: I forgot to point out that I modified the aft end of the signal bridge compartment. These ships often rigged up canvas sun shades over the aft portion of this deck. However, outside of a solid header, everything else was just canvas and rope. As the PR/Trumpeter beauty shot shows, they chose to mold the aft portion of the signal bridge solid. I basically just cut away everything but the header.
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Author: | Dan K [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:42 pm ] | ||||||
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I mixed a satisfying custom mix for the 5-L paint. At which point, everything on hand for WeeVee up to the top of the rangefinder platform, excepting the 5" AA directors, was then painted and attached.
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Author: | Dan K [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:45 pm ] | ||
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I then tackled the Five Star main boat racks that were erected between the two funnels. I had high hopes going into these, but these particular structures just might be the worst, most difficult PE experience I’ve ever dealt with. With only two views of the completed structure, the instructions are utterly useless. The. Worst. Ever. This was a brutally frustrating experience, as the PE is extremely flimsy. Frankly, it was a f*&^)@(%)!$#@%#king exercise in utter frustration. It took me a whole weekend to complete two structures, one for each ship. The only saving grace here is that they will be covered with ship’s boats.
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Author: | MartinJQuinn [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 West Virginia 1941 & USS California 1941 (Pit-Road |
She looks great Dan. Regarding the PE...glad to see even "the master" has his moments. ![]() |
Author: | taskforce48 [ Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 West Virginia 1941 & USS California 1941 (Pit-Road |
She looks fantastic Dan! Dan K wrote: The only saving grace here is that they will be covered with ship’s boats. Seems a shame that such hard work is going be unseen. Looking forward to more, Matt |
Author: | Dan K [ Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 West Virginia 1941 & USS California 1941 (Pit-Road |
Thanks, gents. I suppose that a full complement of boats might not be necessary........... |
Author: | Richard Durham [ Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 West Virginia 1941 & USS California 1941 (Pit-Road |
They look great! Hope that you get to show them off in Las Vegas next summer! Take care, Rich |
Author: | Dan K [ Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:41 pm ] | ||||||||||
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I hope we can all make it out to Las Vegas next summer. Thx, Rich. California’s bridge arrangements threw me for a loop at first take. I hadn’t realized she was configured as a flagship. Once properly oriented, I began to build it. A few things of note about the kit vs. the ship: This kit, plus many of the 1/350 California resin kits, have a large, rectangular air intake molded onto the sides of the front superstructure “pillar”. This detail is erroneous. There’s just a bulkhead extension, or girder in place there. The air intakes for California and Tennessee are located in the same place as the Colorados. The difference between classes is in the number and design of the apertures. The earlier class has openings on two bulkheads. In California’s case, there were covers that were opened to a variable extent. In Tennessee’s case, there was a much larger set of shrouds placed over the openings. Once I scratch-built those vents, I worked on the various bridge levels. I cut openings for access ladders, then I scratch-built bulkheads and window frames for the Signal Bridge.
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Author: | Dan K [ Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:44 pm ] | ||||||
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I modified the Five Star Colorado class PE to match the large windows on the Navigating Bridge. The two classes are similar in both regards, but not exactly the same. I also utilized the conning tower PE as best I could; this conning tower is larger in circumference and shape than WeeVee/Maryland's.
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