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Author: | NOVA73 [ Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Hello, No, I don't have the complete plans for this vessel. I am still looking for them but they are hard to find. If you have any leads I'll take them. However, I do have the plans for the LSD 22, LSD 25 and LSD 26 of the Casa Grande class. Friendly. Alain. |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:55 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Very interesting, my 1:120 APA US Randall 224 is made with mostly traditional methods (No commercial pats) but I am backfilling with some small 3D bits. Not using Fusion 360 yet, but would like to make some new LCVP's. My hand built ones are decent but a little "fat". Have fun, a very involved ship! Mine is over in scratch built projects! Cheers: Tom |
Author: | Rick_H [ Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
The Navy's Booklet of General Plans for the Haskell class APA is at https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads ... apa170.pdf. This is not perfect for model building but can be helpful, anyway. Best wishes, Rick |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
More detailed drawings are available on the USS Lowndnes website. Navsource photos are also useful, though not generally the distant whole ship photos, but the ones taken onboard showing some particular activity. Good Luck! |
Author: | Iceman 29 [ Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Nice Job, Alain ! Indeed the rest will be a little simpler, Fusion is well adapted for industrial parts, less for complex shapes such as a ship's hull. But you did very well, the next one will be easier. |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Looking good! I see in the well deck by the #1 hatch you have some objects located where the inclined ladders go to the 01 level. These were sometimes along the axis of the ship and sometimes awarthships. I will be interested to know at what point a printed ship will begin to proceed to individual parts from a single printed item? Cheers: Tom |
Author: | NOVA73 [ Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:56 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Hello, To date, I've gone for the full hull option. But if this evolves, the hull and the main deck will have a thickness of 2 or even 3 mm. Friendly. Alain. |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
This is lookng pretty good so far. On the level of the bridge, many of the ships had a bulge in the superstructure on the port side which made room for the CIC. In this case the extra width was added on the Port side to allow for a walkway, not on the starboard as you have it. Ships varied so I can't say that some ships weren't built to this configuration. The drawings of the different decks and location of the various equipment are best seen on the USS Lowndnes website. Much more detailed than the ones available on the GP section at HNSA. Nice job on the hull! Tom |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
I am glad that you seem to have conquered the hull shape! Something that is currently beyond my experience. Indeed it would appear tho be optimal to add many smaller structures to the printed hull. The chances of having some smaller details misprint are high and best to not risk a large item which might take a lot of time and material. Keep up the good work! Cheers: Tom |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Alain: Looks good! The tubs for the 4 20 mm's just above the bridge probably do not extend in a complete circle, but are open to the bridge area . CIC is Combat Information Center and would be on later ships. The following excerpt from the Lowndes plans shows the bridge deck with and without the CIC. Attachment: In the well deck just aft of #1 hatch it appears you have openings in the deck here for inclined ladders? The ladders here lead upward to the boat deck through the openings in the deckhouse. They were variously situated fore and aft or awarthships (Across the ship). Cheers: Tom |
Author: | NOVA73 [ Tue Dec 15, 2020 2:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Thank you Tom for your advice and feedback. For the CIC, were the changes made before or after 1945? If it is after 1945, I will go back to the previous version, because I want to make the ship in its 1945 configuration. I have another question for you. On the plan, is there a Capstan P/S on the back beach? Do you have a picture of this type of equipment? . On the net, I did not find anything to detail this item. Friendly. Alain. |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Alain: As far as I know the capstan on the fantail (aft most main deck) is a smooth drumhead type for handling hawsers (large diameter lines). Plans show a streaming anchor stowed against the forward bulkhead of the aft deckhouse and there is a large reel of rope (hawser) situated next to the #5 hatch which could be utilized if for some reason it was necessary to use an aft anchor. These will look much like the drumheads such as seen on the sides of the winches, except oriented vertically. You will see such units on the forecastles of many warships to handle mooring lines, usually situated just outboard of the wildcats used for the anchor chains. Cheers: Tom |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
Looks very nice Alain! On the stern, the large winch head is shown on the Port side on my reference drawings with a smaller one on the starboard. Attachment: The nicely done "lifts" for the LCVP's are called Whelan Davits. At max capacity each davit could hold 3 LCVP's, the bottom boat rested in a cradle and the boat above it rested in a cradle that swung out of the way and the third boat could be carried with the boat swung overboard held by the lowered davit. USS Gage was the last surviving Haskell Class APA from WWII. Her disposal had delayed because of possible historical significance. However so much of her equipment was purloined for other museum ships, it was not possible to really restore her so she was scrapped in 2009. Cheers: Tom |
Author: | EJFoeth [ Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: USS CAGE APA-168 au 1/350 |
It is certainly interesting, but with 3D work I feel people are walking away from modeling building towards kit development. I really enjoy drawing in 3D and it requires skills, but not really on the same level as actually building something. Even with drawing etch work ("2D printing") you have to be more careful and assemble the model too. I'm on the fence of buying a printer because some details are so tedious or difficult, but on the other hand you do surrender quite a bit to the PC. It depends a bit if you want a model, or want to build a model. I enjoy the latter! |
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