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 Post subject: 1/487 CV-5 and CV-6
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:37 pm 
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Hello again.

It has been a while since I finished my last ship, the 1/426 Revell Pine Island. I know I'm not up to the standards of most of the modelers on the board, but you guys have been very inspirational to me so I thought I'd give this a try... This time around I would like to stretch my skill set a little so I have secured

1 Revell USS Yorktown to be completed circa 1939 (I thought about doing CV-6 in 1939, but the big black Y on the stack got me Yorktown it is).
1 Revell Battle of Midway Carrier to be completed as USS Enterprise during the Battle of Midway and or the Battle of Santa Cruz Island.
2 x GMM Yorktown class PE sets
Various reference books.
F3Fs and SBCs for the Yorktown and F4F-3s for the Enterprise form SNAFU by Echoco on Shapeways
TBDs and 5 in 38 Caliber singe open mounts and the Yorktown CV-5 air group and Enterprise CV-6 air group decals form Star Fighter Decals.

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I hope that by posting here I will keep up with the projects but I must warn you, sometimes my progress approaches glacial speeds...

So it begins:
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And already I have been beset by the Revell curse..

Gaps
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and more gaps
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also this is the first time I have removed the "Aztec Stairs" to be replaced, I hope, with some PE ladders for the GMM set.

I wasn't sure if the gaps around the bow and stern were due to my lack of skills or the Revell kits but several other online build reviews said it was more or less the kit...

I am now filling the gaps before adding the "side walls" to complete the hulls. Test fitting several them has revealed they will be just as gappy if not more so....

Anyway thanks for looking and I hope to have some more to show soon...

Mark B.


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 Post subject: Re: 1/487 CV-5 and CV-6
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:02 pm 
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Trust me, the gaps aren't your doing. I remember the same thing happening when I first built those kits in 1987 or 1988. Good luck with this project and please keep us informed.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:31 pm 
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Excellent! Those old kits have good bones and a great hull shape. The flight deck reasonably matches BoGP plans, too. The basic kit is one of Revell's classic best.

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 Post subject: Re: 1/487 CV-5 and CV-6
PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:53 pm 
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Minor update:

I had to do a lot of work with my little sanding stick here..
1) Fill gap.
2) Let filler dry.
3) Sand down to deck.
4) Repeat (again and again and again)
But in the end look ma no gaps.

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So on to the rest of the hulls and more gaps. I'm not sure why the gaps are so bad but they will be worked on this week as time permits.

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GAPS
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and More GAPS

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Things went fine with the Battle of Midway kit above but then I encountered a bit of a set back with the Yorktown kit. When I went to cut the starboard hull part that goes under the island (Part #14) I found it was warped...

Top one is from BOM Carrier kit the bottom one is from the Yorktown kit.

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Not only warped but shrunk as well. When I lined up the aft end of the part with the hull, there is "huge" gap at the forward end... Not to mention the fact that the warp makes the part look like a really hot fire took place there.... Why do I do this to myself... What do I see in these kits....

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Oh well. On the longest of long shots, I did request a replacement part form Revell. Not sure though how I will proceed with this. Any and all suggestions are welcomed.

Any one out there have one of these old kit as a parts kit?

Any how thanks for looking.
Mark B.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:52 am 
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DavidP wrote:
cut out the bad section & scratch build a replacement section.


Hey David! That's it exactly...
Thanks for reminding me why we are in this hobby in the first place and why I do this to myself...

Have a great week,
Mark B.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:20 pm 
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Brocky wrote:
Why do I do this to myself... What do I see in these kits....


The same thing I see every time I throw about 70% of the angled-deck Essex kit in the spares box and extensively modify what's left: because these old Revell kits reward you for a project well-executed, and you can't help loving these kits because for all their faults, they still got something right somehow.

Good work on the bow and stern gaps. If you can handle that, you can take care of the hangar deck gaps - and if you can handle that, then scratchbuilding a replacement for that warped part is a good way to stretch your abilities. Give it a shot.

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 Post subject: Re: 1/487 CV-5 and CV-6
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:51 am 
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Well we’re back…

It’s been a while I know and I did not abandon the project intentionally. Work kind of exploded (read tons of overtime) due to some rather near sighted misinformed and highly political decisions made by people in high places looking to further their careers. Anyway I got even a couple of months by retiring
:woo_hoo:

Now it’s back to modeling.

So far I have fixed the issue with the Yorky’s warped hull part and pushed on with the projects.
I have spent the last few days working mostly on the sterns trying to make them a little more accurate.

I have:
Walled off the rear elevator shaft
Added the two missing flight deck support columns at the stern
Blanked off the holes on the forward 5” 38 Cal. Gun decks
Added the door guides to the bow and stern hanger bay openings
Cut the rail molding off of the flight deck catwalk parts
Removed the molded on 20mm guns from the Enterprise's catwalks (these as well as the 1.1 AA guns will be replaced by 3d printed ones form 3d Model Parts)
Filled and sanded various sink marks and gaps on the flight deck catwalks and hanger bay door parts.

Oh and I have a question… What color would be the best to use for painting the hanger decks? Yorktown will be finished in her prewar fit c. 1939 to 1940 and Enterprise will be done in her Midway fit.
I was thinking of using a very light gray something like Model Masters Camouflage Gray...

Thanks for looking and hoping you are having a great day,
Mark B.

Yorktown progress
CV-5 Hanger deck
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CV-5 Bow
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CV-5_Stern
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CV5 Flight Deck.jpg
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Enterprise Progress:
CV-6 Hanger deck
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CV-6 Bow
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CV-6 Stern
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CV-6 Flight deck
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 Post subject: Re: 1/487 CV-5 and CV-6
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:36 pm 
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Brocky wrote:
Minor update:

I had to do a lot of work with my little sanding stick here..
1) Fill gap.
2) Let filler dry.
3) Sand down to deck.
4) Repeat (again and again and again)
But in the end look ma no gaps.


So on to the rest of the hulls and more gaps. I'm not sure why the gaps are so bad but they will be worked on this week as time permits.

GAPS

and More GAPS


Mark B.


Gaps. That's how I remember these kits. I have not built one in many decades but I like what you are doing. I still have these Revell Carrier kits in the stash and you have given me reason to break'em out. Keep up the great work.

Glad you already got some PE and planes. Smart move as your "Build" may generate renewed interest in these kits and that AM stuff could go OOS pretty quick.

Revell was still making a "Yorktown" kit till several years ago but since then Revell had their financial trouble and many old molds got bought up by another Company. I doubt Revell, or what is left of it, will supply any missing or damaged parts on these models.

Nino


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 Post subject: Re: 1/487 CV-5 and CV-6
PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:07 pm 
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DavidP wrote:
take a look at these plans for the 1940 Yorktown as those stern posts do not look right or maybe wrong location.
CV-5 – USS Yorktown – Booklet of General Plans, 1940, Yorktown Class https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv5.pdf


David,
Thanks. This is what I really like about this site! You are correct, the supports are way to far back on the stern. Some how I messed up the measurements when I installed the supports. OK maybe I shouldn't do scale conversion math late at night after a few beers... :whistle:
EZ enough to fix. I'll be correcting this little oversight soon.

Nino wrote:

Glad you already got some PE and planes. Smart move as your "Build" may generate renewed interest in these kits and that AM stuff could go OOS pretty quick.

Revell was still making a "Yorktown" kit till several years ago but since then Revell had their financial trouble and many old molds got bought up by another Company. I doubt Revell, or what is left of it, will supply any missing or damaged parts on these models.

Nino


Nino,

It was easy to find the Yorktown but the Battle of Midway Carrier took a few months of eBay trawling... I wonder if Atlantis bought the molds. I know they have released several old Revell kits as of late.

The other good thing about acquiring GMM PE sets in 2017 the price. I think I paid something on the order of USD $25.00 for each one... A couple of weeks ago I was trawling around for a GMM set for Revell's USS Forrestal and found out they are going for something on the order of USD$ 71.00! :shock:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:08 pm 
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Ah....fond memories of building this kit - out of the box - as all three sisters. Wrong camo, wrong this, too much glue, etc., etc., etc., but as a 16 year old, I didn't care. The last time I built one, I actually got Yorktown's camo correct, but not much else. Still, very happy days. Looking forward to seeing more.

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PostPosted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:51 pm 
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Hi guys.

No I haven’t forgotten about the USS Yorktown and USS Enterprise although I did get some what burned out on the work I was doing on the sterns. I have been working on the underside support girders and needed to think of a way to fit them. I could not get an accurate measurement of how long each girder would be without having the deck attached. Then there was going to be fit problems when it comes time to cement the flight deck to the hull. Anyone who has built one of these kits will know how problematic that step is.
After thinking about it for a while (several weeks of on and off thought) the very simple solution finally gelled in my little brain. I taped the flight decks to the hulls ensuring I had them exactly where they are to be when they are permanently attached and added the girders on the port side of the undersides of the flight decks. I will then add the girders on the starboard side and the ones that come out at the rear of the flight deck after the flight decks have been glued to the hull.

Image of girders added to the port side of the fight decks.
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I then discovered that there is on more platform that needs to be added to the port side of the stern just below the flight deck attached to the rear wall of the elevator shaft. Merit/Trumpeter give you two platforms for each side, but the CV-5 plans I have only showed the platform under the flight deck on the port side. Pontos and Infini seemed to back this up as their 1/350 detail sets only include one platform as well Thank God, only two to make. I have seen the need to increase my current tool set to include a set of dividers, inside calipers, outside calipers and a T-Square. While I’m waiting on these to arrive, I did do some painting work on the hanger decks these past few days.

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Here are some views of the stern work so far,

CV-5

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CV-6

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I do mean to keep working on these and hopefully I’ll be able to get the sterns finished and move to the bows. I won’t be adding an PE rails or ladders to the hulls until I get the bows done to avoid destroying while handling them during the work the bows and major painting.

Thanks for looking, input very much appreciated.
Mark

Oh and does anyone have any good paint matches for USN 5-N Navy Blue? It seems like the Sovereign Colourcoats brand is a little scarce right now.


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 Post subject: Re: 1/487 CV-5 and CV-6
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Nice to see you're still plugging away on these.

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