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After Rurik I felt like a nice quick build....

Icebreaker Krassin based on the now 'old-tech' Combrig kit

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Background and images are best viewed here in the CASF thread
--as well as a number of pertinent questions and queries about the ship....
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Quick build...?

alas 'twas not to be!

....many many weeks of agonising over material of deck..( wood-which the kit-hull-casting did not have), colour of superstructure, then the colour of the roofs, shape of the funnels... and more recently the actual shape of the hull.... :doh_1:

Endless poring over photos and glimpses in an Russian old movie documentary...

==>meant that something that looked quite promising in the box has turned into the usual uphill fight!! :big_grin:

maybe I like it like that ...? :cool_2:



anyhow-- the hull was initially painted and the no-wood-showing deck was created by striating thick paint back and forth with a flat brush to imply the planking direction, carefully cleaning up edges around deck structures.

I had added a styrene base to allow the hull to 'sit' up in the Ice


It all actually looked quite good---certainly would have been ok with a dusting of snow/ice....

However- I allowed myself to be misled by some large scale models--which reside on the preserved Krassin( albeit post rebuild which completely altered her appearance)

all of which appear to have been based on the same ; in-places-very flawed plans published in the 1970's...

The Combrig kit appears also based on these plans, having all the hallmarks of the errors that the large scale models have also.

As a result I blindly painted the area 'twixt bridge and breakwater a rather fetching shade of red Lino-- as seen on some of these otherwise fine models...( Ha! ) :heh:

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Once better photos became available from Russian E-friends...-- and analysis by some well-known ship studiers privately by e-mail as well as in the CASF forum-link above-- the error of my ways quickly became apparent!...

the funnels as supplied in the kit matched the drawings--which after close examination did NOT match the photos!!!

I made new funnels of brass tube, using a tube cutter to lightly indent the rivet seam bands.
These were spaced using suitable adhesive strip to get an accurate cutting guide..

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The build had virtually stalled due to uncertainty of colours , as well as nagging doubts of the quality of the end result model, partly of my own making.......- the striated deck was not THAT good... :big_grin:

I decided to reshape the hull to create the tumblehome as seen in photos and the plan offsets....

This meant removing the metal foil strake, and all paint( third time around off it came!)

The lino/wood deck issue, to my eyes-- was getting worse by the minute--so I removed all the deck structures--which will be remade from scratch, pared the hull top down by 1mm and added a new deck....

sound simple...?-- in principle yes.... but it all took longer.... :wave_1:

The current status quo is below.
lets see where I go to from here! :wave_1:

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Wow! :thumbs_up_1:
Good luck in building the model.
There are drawings of the ship, I can share if needed.


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Jim!
Do you have more photos of this model?
Can you send it to me?


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Alexey....

If you want Krassin photos and drawings--edn me an e-mail to


jbys1@@@@@@@tiscali.co.uk ( remove the extra @'s !!!


and clear your mailbox

I can send you as much as you might want...

there are more WW 2 version photos of the model--)

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JIM BAUMANN wrote:
Alexey....

If you want Krassin photos and drawings--edn me an e-mail to




Hello, Jim!
Sent you a letter to mail.

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progressing at a snails pace--its a scratch build from here-on, :heh: :wave_1:

merely the ( reshaped!! ) hull being used....

The hull has been painted and the portholes have been indented using the pushpin-along-tape method...successfully!

The badly abraded and barely vsible underwater paint was added using decal strip, varnished and then obscured with watercolour paint-this allows further tuning.

I wanted to portray the ship with snow and ice on her tumblehome hull as in the film still grab from the documentary film

so made a start on the ice...

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the deck was also painted--I reasoned a wet and not scrubbed deck in the arctic would be darker and resemble the greyish deck on the preserved Krasin.

I still need to lighten it a bit with a wash of mid grey I think...

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The deck structure blocks have been made of various thicknesses of laminated styrene-- tedious to sand and keep square

according to rescaled plan drawings and keeping an eye on the photos.

The sklights with portholes will bring their own challenges--.......later!

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Meanwhile searching for a method of representing the timber paneled bridge surrounds....

Inspiration struck!

I happened on some etched PE torpedo net shelving from the 1/350 Koenig WEM PE set--I have lots of it... :thumbs_up_1:

using the small straight section--the curves are obviously no good--I can now represent the bulwark timber paneling in a nice thin medium- I hope!

solved me thinks...? :big_grin: :cool_2:

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well progress is slow-- scratching everything deck up does take more time than simply painting the kit....

herewith a few images of the works...

The bridge has been built of styrene block, brass window frames , evergreen decks and aforementioned torpedo-net shelving used as wood panelling

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The skylights have been made using some PE from a tangential source....(!)

The requirement was for sky-light lids with eithersix or four evenly sized circular windows...

===> beyond my ability and patience to try and drill accurately (! )

so started looking through the PE stash for something useable...

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eh..? :huh: :scratch: :cool_2:

well some of the grates and meshes have their uses...

its very hard metal--and is hard to cut!

especially across the diagonal-- even using sharp-fast-blunting-expensive scissors! )

Some of the small skylights were made using just one double strip of eight holes, then bent into shape using some very sharp edged pliers--prior to bending the metal was heated over a flame to red-hot ;-- to soften and make the bend crisper
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The aft skylights were made in a similar fashion--all gluing was done using paint.

The holes will be blacked with a sharp pencil point this will give gentle sheen... :thumbs_up_1:

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There are some small skylight roofed access hatches around the main structures--which have much wider window spacing... in sets of two...


More searching......... ( no wonder my progerss is so slow!! )

unearthed a rather lovely 1/76 scale Great Western railway Lattice signal PE kit...(!!!)

( I buy any PE- inc railway , armour and aviation I find...--that could be useful to ship modelling in the future whenever I see it!)

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The rather nice balance arms in image below will be cut to provide the skylight lids--having the desired hole spacing...!

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Nuts...?

YEP!

more soon

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...she's taking shape! Are you going to put her in a Ice scene?

Concerning PE, I collect any sort as you, and I found that sometimes I forget them just until a specific work is done, so I cataloged them in a "book"...


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What a bloody good idea, cheers Dino :thumbs_up_1:

Jim,
does this mean we can get you to do a master pattern of a yet to be modelled subject :cool_2:

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The best laid plans of mice and men....
Once I had cut a selection of strips.. alas the portholes did not really look big enough

Tediously the selected skylight lid material for the single hatches with twin windows did not work out after all-- in addition the spacing being just a tiny bit too wide and the strip a bit too narrow....


More innovation required--this time the hawser reel from the WEM Corvette PE fret being the next victim to be cut up with better results-
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- 4x hawser sides inc wastage gave seven hatch lids that were usable....


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The main deck-hatches have meanwhile been made and cut as well

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These were all of different sizes..(!)

I am hoping to affix the model shortly--always a milestone!

Once the model has been placed I can proceed with the finer detailing which would otherwise get damaged through handling the model

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The deck hatches and twin ports skylights have been installed

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at last.... a Breakthrough! phew!

The model is at last starting to take shape and I can actually start believing the model is en-route to completion!

I have been burying my head in the sand for a while now over the outer bridge 'houses'....

The kit item rendered the windows quite nicely - albeit solid...


I wanted my 'houses' to be see thru.

I trawled all the usual sources for windows... ladders et al...
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A = WEM 1/350 cut ladderstock squares
B = 1/350 stairway
C = 1/700 WEM stairways- these were used!
D = after cutting off handrail
E = 1/700 mine racks
F = 1/350 GMM ladder

These stairway lengths were cut to size, installed using gloss varnish as the adhesive- high grab--movabilty and dries thin....

I first chamfered the undersides of the bridge deck to allow the 'frames ' to sit flush with the deck edge in readiness for the upper railing and canvas



The gaps were filled with white glue to make solid
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Once paint had been applied I was quite happy with the look and proportions of the house windows

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Now all it needs is a second coat of paint homgenise the wood ... and I an move on to the next tortuous task! :heh: :cool_1:

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Considering how many photos of the ship exist--there is a staggering shortage of 'on-deck' photos....

The Combrig kits cowl vents were sadly just... wrong!-- having an oval mouth rather than round as all photos can confrim!

I made new cowl mouths of styrene rod , glued on with thick CA and faired with thick paint

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The smaller vents are usable-- but both they and the larger vents all had the cowl mouths sharpened up by adding a copper ring ( made from wire imade nto a spiral and cut circles-heat and flattend with smooth-faced pliers

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Infuriatingly the boats in the kit are flat in sheer--the real thing had a lot of sheerline in the boats

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so I modified 4 x 'fresh' whalers ( the kit boats are wrong as well!-generic) with a stempiece and sheer cut in.

At almost all times they carried covers--made of white glue

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I have now decided to portray her post 1931--after the radio shack aft was moved to ahead of the aft funnel and the upper bridge level had the railing and canvas dodgers replaced with more wood panelling-

I like the more cumbersome look!! :big_grin:

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I'm always amazed at how much detail you cram in such a small space. Very inspiring :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

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I'm always amazed at how much detail you cram in such a small space. Very inspiring :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


Couldn't agree more, I will follow this build and look forward to seeing it progress.

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The vents are now installed... I made the black roating winding gear

The plans show a veritable forest of small vents 'twixt the large ones....

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( more photos posted in the CASF )

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I was unableto find a photo showing the small vents in place when she was underway in arctic service.

Consulations with chums in Russsia as well as the UK and comparison with on-deck photos near contemporary 'Yermak' shows that the smaller cowl vents were removable--leaving behind a short stub-( with a lid!)

The funnels have now also been installed--and the steam pipes fitted( thin wire) --the small brackets attaching these being made of stretched sprue.

At last --the ship is looking more interesting!

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Current project is making the fwd beakwater--which again is completly different from that shown in the (suspect!)plans--

more in the next update!

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at last--getting down to nitty gritty detaling! :big_grin:


All the models of Krasin( that I have seen ) show the anchor chains--incorrectly it seems --running thru breakwater ....

In actual fact the chains ran OVER the breakwater--in sopme prominet chain guides onto a most sunstantuial windlass

this is NOT readily seen in all photos I have found on-line--Kronma kindly posted an excellent and most informative set of photos of the foredeck...! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

the most useful of which I have re-posted here:

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There are other tantalising glimpses of the windlass--enough to cobble together something useful...

the vent stumps have also been rendered--as well as the substantial bollards and roller fairleads.

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The breawater--from new--had cutaway sections to increase the arc of fire at the sides for a light gun--later removed.
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The breakwater on all models I have ( so far!) seen slavishly followed the....-- in this instance again-- in-correct plan.

I pieced my breakwater together our of brass sections--for clarity the seams in the brass are shown and outlined in black

The small hollw curve shown within the dotted lines started life as half a PE boatchock.... :cool_2:

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No vast quantum leaps of progress alas...

this evenings toil was making the aft windlass and mooring bits...

does not look much- but took quite some time ...==> lots of tiny bits of brass flying all over the model room.... :Mad_6: :Tirade: :mad_2:


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How did you scratch your cowl vents (I know, that eternal question)? Did you melt a styrene tube? Or glued two together, one larger than the other, at right angles (with 45* cut)?

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The vents were made using two sizes of rods cut at 90 deg , glued with CA--when hard I sanded and carved with a blade the shape--before drilling the mouths-and facing with wire

I the faired and blended the shaft to cowl with white glue and thick paint-- cut away more of the hardeend paint and re-applied--iut all selflevels nicely

I made quite alot --the failure rate was high--but I was unabel to get any copmmerially that had the look.

The BFM resin vents work very well onmany projects--but the shaft to cowl relationship in this instance was not quite right for this ship

Some of the very small vents were made of soft solderwire.

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Ah this ship...

nice simple ship with no guns... ( so I thought...)Ha! :heh: :big_grin:

new issue to circumvent ....this vessel has 4 - bar railings.... and they were white.... with a timber top rail

A tricky combination at the best of times to make look fine in 1/700 :scratch:

The best I could find--stanchion spacings etc was Flyhawk USN( courtesy of Mike Mc)

However--when compared to WEM superfine 1/700 or GMM Goldplus superfine

even this relatively fine Flyhawk PE lookd rather like railroad fence..! :Mad_6:


So I had to think of something!!!!

I painted all the rails dark grey with some of the deck colour within to soften the colour and contrast to deck.

I then very gently dry-brushed the rails from top down-- allowing the remainder of the thickness of the railing to visually blend with the deck.

The insides were painted rather more bright white--these will be viewed mostly agaist the ice surface...

Once there has been some snow and ice distributed around the vessel it should blend in ok

Its a ruse--that I hope will work well enough...certainbly there is an opening for some superfine 4-bar--and with impending Liner releases in 1/700.... some 5-bar as well that is suitably extra fine.

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The fwd derrick masts and booms have also been made--along with the aft bridge--which was still in place in the 30's..

The winches and breakwater now they have been painted look more pleasing also


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It is all taking soooo long-- challenging, interesting- whilst also frustrationg at my own lack of patience and tolerance of my own shorcmings and failings..!!


:wave_1: JB

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Thanks Jim - my corvette kit is missing a couple of vents, so hopefully I can use your method to make the absentees.

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