1/700 Amagi diorama

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Thanks Mike!

And in turn I'm enjoying learning a lot from the ship modelling side of the hobby myself too!
By the way, I feel you are one of the ship modelers that pays a lot of attention to painting too, and succeeds to get it to feel really in-scale. That has been very inspiring for me too!
Chris doesn't count, as he comes from armor modelling like me� :big_grin:

Meanwhile, I painted on some plating effect. Historic photos clearly show the individual steel plates to be quite visible on the hull, so I wanted to add this to the model too. I also like how it adds some sense of detail to otherwise large flat surfaces.

In 1/700 scale, I feel the effect needs to be subtle: visible when seen up close, but not jumping at you directly. This is why I prefer not to add it during construction (scribing panel lines or such), but merely paint it on.

It did this with the colour I used for shading (raw umber oil paint + black enamel) and a fine brush, using some tape as a guide only for the first lines to keep it strait. I thinned the paint very much in order to only produce very faint lines. They were blended further and/or softened even more with a brush moistened with clean White Spirit.

I still found I exaggerated in the area I started, so I reduced the effect by overpainting a lot of the lines with the base green. I ended up liking the feel of this, so I decided to overpaint with the green on the rest of the hull too.

After that, I added a couple of smaller chips here and there by brush, and some more dirty vertical streaking.

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Historic photos show quite a lot of abrasion/chipping at the stern, in an area right above the waterline, so this was added by brush too:
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Also some of the AA platform supports received some plating detail:
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The individual floor plates of the hangar deck were showing clearly too, so these were also painted. I exaggerated a bit on the right, as the flight deck will overhang this area, reducing visibility.
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I also added the cables to the elevator counterweights. This will be almost invisible due to the angle of the ship, but when peeking from �sea-level� you can just make it out.
The detail on the counterweights is added with paint only.
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I also added some dirty spots and smudges on many of the horizontal surfaces, again with the shading colour, diluted in varying degrees. I exaggerated in the places that will be barely visible, like the stern main and boat decks:
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And to round of, a pic of the undersides of the flight and boat decks, right before gluing them to the hull:
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Very nice!

I also think by doing the plating effect with painting is the best approach!

Now that I think of it I need to test this and maybe incorporate it to my project for even more ooomph!

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Good idea!
The combination of techniques might make the end result look even more natural, as the individual techniques will become less 'recogniseable'.
I'm looking forward to that! :)

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Nice! It certainly breaks up the "huge" surfaces. Also, if you look at the shadow lines at the larger sponsons (e.g., beneath the funnels): these "heavy" shadowlines now blend in much better in the overall appearance :thumbs_up_1:
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Thanks for noticing that Evert-Jan, as that was the plan all along (the dark 'dirty' streaking also contributes to this). In the words of Hannibal Smith: I love it when a plan comes together! :big_grin:
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Sorry Marijn and I may be wrong, please don't take this as criticism and I hate to say this, but, in the first photo of the last lot of photos, should the streaks not be vertical to the waterline rather than the hull?

If you compare that image with the 3rd photo and the third from last, the streaks coming off the platform support and the holes appear correct to the eye, vertical to the water.

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Way have I not been following this :(

Incredible work Marijn, I will not repeat my mistake and will follow loyally from now on so I can rip off, or I mean study your ideas
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This isn't model making. This is artistry at its best.
Simply stunning!
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Bangor lad wrote:This isn't model making. This is artistry at its best.
Simply stunning!
Yeap, that's exactly what I was thinking, just said it before I could. Simply fantastic work.
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Many thanks guys! :)
Chris Meddings wrote:... so I can rip off, or I mean study your ideas
:big_grin: Please do Chris! It is the best compliment you could give me, and I know I'm constantly ripping off, I mean being inspired by, other modelers too! :)
Jabberwock wrote:Sorry Marijn and I may be wrong, please don't take this as criticism and I hate to say this, but, in the first photo of the last lot of photos, should the streaks not be vertical to the waterline rather than the hull?

If you compare that image with the 3rd photo and the third from last, the streaks coming off the platform support and the holes appear correct to the eye, vertical to the water.

Cheers, Jabb
No need to apologize Jabb! Constructive comments like this is what I need more! :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:
And you spotted this very well indeed. :)

To be honest, I have considered this, but visually balancing it has been difficult.
On the decks, it was simple. Since they were horizontal when the ship was floating upright, streaks could have only formed after the ship had capsized. Therefore, on the flight deck, AA-platforms, etc., I painted every streak perpendicular to the waterline.

On the sides of the hull, it was not so simple, as the historic photos show mostly streaking perpendicular to the hull.
The big dirty streak coming from the shute on this (cropped) pic (left red circle) obviously has formed before the ship capsized, as it stops on the dirty waterline mark which formed when the ship was upright. But also towards the right, dirty and rusty streaks are visible that are perpendicular to the hull plating and not the waterline.

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On this B&W photo, also streaking is visible around the stack sponson that is perpendicular to the hull:
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I can only assume this streaking had already formed when the ship was still upright.
The antifouling red shows a lot of sun-bleaching in that thin strip above the dirty waterline mark, so I guess enough time has passed for the elements to have quite an effect on the ship before it capsized and sank.

0n the other hand, it is only logical that some extra streaking must have formed after the ship capsized too.
I see less of this in the historic photos, but here it is pretty visible:
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The visual balance on the model becomes difficult however when I would like to do both on the same spot. Streaks in two different directions would look pretty weird�
So I decided to follow the general idea of what I could see on the photos: mostly perpendicular to the hull, but in a couple of spots (like on that third photo from the last) perpendicular to the waterline.
But to be honest I'm also feeling in doubt about this. As it is hard to judge the final 'feel' of it on photo,I'll ask some advice from the guys in my club when I show it to them in the flesh. But please give your opinion too if you like!

Thanks for starting up a very interesting discussion Jabb! :)

Cheers,

Marijn
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Marijn,

Just from looking at the photos and reading your explanation, it seems to me that you're on the right track keeping the streaking to perpendicular to the hull. Trying to do both might indeed contribute to a bit of visual confusion, but not only that, those streaks that are perpendicular to the waterline are so faint (relatively speaking), that in 1/700 scale they might not really even be visible.

Love the build, and I am eagerly awaiting more progress!
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Good to see another update Marijn, it sure was worth waiting for it!

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Y'know, I've been coming to this site for a few years and have been privileged to see some truly amazing craftsmanship - I won't list names 'cos I'm bound to miss one, but I'm sure you know who I'm talking about :-).....but I don't think I've ever seen a model - in any scale alone 1/700 - that looks so, well, so REAL........this build is just phenomenal

Bravo, sir
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Many thanks guys! That's some extremely high praise! :smallsmile: :cool_2: :smallsmile:

Cheers,

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I see now how your mind works and I agree with your interpretation of the photos.

How could I doubt you! :wink_3.gif

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Hello

Superb as a result. A magnificent work of artist. I would like to know how to make such delicate painting.

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That plating effect is superb! I tried to do it before, but it didn't go as intended (failed miserably)

You are an artist Marijn!
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stunning, simply stunning, if it wasn't for the scale and detail alone, but the paintwork adds so much more...
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Many thanks guys! :)

Nono Jabb, please doubt me! That's the best way to keep learning and evolving... ;)
NOVA73 wrote:I would like to know how to make such delicate painting.
With a lot of patience and a lifetime of experience... :) :big_grin:

And I would like to know how to build a 1/350 scale capital ship dioramas, including home-designed PE, in only 1 year time! :big_grin:


Erick, please don't be discouraged and try again next time. Practice makes perfect!
For me, the 'tricks' are:
- high quality fine brushes (I use Winsor & Newton series 7, size 000);
- diluting the paint very much, so it is very transparent and the effect can be built up slowly over successive passes;
- not drawing full lines, but only suggesting them by painting interrupted lines;
- constantly correcting and refining the painted 'lines' with a clean brush moistened with white spirit (when working with oils and/or enamels).

Cheers,

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Final assembly and details! :) :cool_2: :)

I finally glued the boat and flight deck sections in place, and installed the island.
The fit was pretty good, but there was a very slight gap under the island:
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I filled the gap with Magic Sculp, and added some last details:
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And those details and the filled gap were painted. After that I installed and painted the railings at the flight deck level.
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I also glued the last bunch of binoculars on the top the island. They are from Shelf Oddity and are absolutely great!
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The big searchlight is also from Shelf Oddity, with equally fantastic detail. The lens is a 1mm diameter lens from AK, with a brown wash to tone down its shininess a bit.
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On the historic photos, I could only see the footropes and one set of hallyards left from the rigging, so that�s what I installed on the model, using stretched sprue. For the footropes, I used Jim Baumann�s technique. Thanks Jim for your threads on the subject! ?
A couple more hallyards will be added later, hanging loose in the water.
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The 28cm deflector bars could only be added after hull and deck were joined. I used 0,1mm metal wire.
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And painted:
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I also added 4 support bars here (stretched sprue): left unpainted, right painted. They would have blocked painting access to the area behind them if I would have added them earlier.
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This cross-shaped item connects between the flight deck and boatdeck, so could also only be added at this stage. What is it by the way?
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Even though I can�t see it on the photos of Amagi, I couldn�t resist adding one of the crane hooks for handling the boats. Note that I also attached the platform structure on the flight deck edge (scratchbuilt from stretched sprue).
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� and an accommodation ladder, like the pics of Amagi�s wreck show:
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The props and rudder were installed, and the dirty tidemarks added to them:
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The central, sternmost AA platform was painted separately and now installed:
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Finally, an overview of the stern area:
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The collapsible masts were painted and rigged separately and now installed. They are part of the Lionroar Unryu update set.
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The last separate items of burned wreckage were attached to the rear elevator well:
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And finally some overviews of the finished model:
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With Amagi now finished, I�m looking forward to painting the rest of the diorama!
Alas, that will have to wait until after the holidays� ?

Cheers!

Marijn
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