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Jeff,
One question for you since you have the video. Can you tell if there are three anchors and chains? I only know of the two that are on display but all kits show the ship as having three. I wonder if there is any chance that some one could work the video over so that is has better clarity.

Jon, I can tell you that there is definitely one chain on the starboard side and one chain that runs from the middle windlass to the port side. My copy of this film is too poor to tell for sure but this pic shows something going to the port windlass. As the crew runs to battle stations they jump over it. To me it doesn't look like an anchor chain, it looks more like a solid rod or pole. What it could possibly be, I have no idea.

Matthew,
I used .015 wire that I got from my local hobby shop. Don't go any bigger than that.

What "small brackets things" are you referring to? I'm not sure what you mean.

Hi,
this image shows here still with cage masts in 1924, but the anchor chain system didn't change as far as I know. maybe it helps ...

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Jeff,
I snapped this picture this morning with the old iPhone so forgive the rather iffy image quality. Anyway, these are the small brackets I removed and replaced with sheet styrene. I believe that it is where the anchor chain was attached at times.

Jeff,

Excellent build and research. You've show everyone many details that have been overlooked(especially by me). But I have a few questions, and please don't take these as hostile. You've question the large vent and wondered if it should be there. Wasn't it installed and removed at will? Much like one would open a window for ventilation? And you asked in one photo, where's the chain plate? You are showing many photos from old movies and newsreels, can you verify that these are actually the Arizona? And exact time frame? And with all this Arizona discussion, I find it interesting Tracy hasn't chimed in. I'd like to hear his take on your discoveries.

Keep up the amazing work. You have more guts than I.

Hi Leftie. No worries!

As far as the vent goes, I have no idea if it could be put up and taken down easily. Why would they need to? I find it odd that I can find no photos with the vent after 1936. If anyone can, I'd love to see it.

As far as the clips I'm showing, I have studied this film for many years. It is not many old films and newsreels spliced together. Don't let the sample clip on Military Traditions website fool you. That clip is splicing three films together to give you examples of what you will get. There is one promotional film entitled "American Seapower" that was filmed in 1941 exclusively on USS Arizona and one cruiser that I have not bothered to identify. Arizona was at sea with BatDiv 1 which at the time was Nevada and Pennsylvania. All three ships have the lattice yard arms on the foretop which we know was installed in January 1941. Every clip that I am showing from this particular film I am 100% positive is Arizona 1941. Tracy and I have had discussions about these clips before. If he cares to chime in I'm sure he will agree that these clips are of Arizona 1941.

Matthew,
Are your ears ringing? Cuz right about now I'm cursing you! These damn "brackety things" are so small!
I've got 11 more to do and the first one is still too big! Ugh!
Just kidding! Thanks for the tip. I'm gonna have to break out the old optivisor for these!




I also changed my mind about fixing the elbow location on the anchor plate. Here is how it should look if indeed they ever put it back in place before Dec. 7th.

Thanks Christian. One thing this photo does give me is a good look at the "Y" shaped fire port that is up against the hatch. I've been looking for a good shot of this thing. Now I can put it on the kit.

Jeff,
Turn about is fair play, my friend. You have made me spend a lot of hours adding things to my build. Now I have to find something smaller to bps how you!!

Why do you suppose they put that dog leg in the chain plate?

mrb

I have no idea why they did that. I've never seen any photos that show how or why they used that large Captain Hook looking chock that is as the dog leg either.

Now, as I ponder the construction of the fire port, I am improving the look of the three windlasses. Each windlass had what I'm guessing was a hand rail around the top parameter. Here is where a good photo etch piece would come in handy. But since there is none currently available, I have to construct the rings using brass wire. Have you ever tried to make a perfect circle out of brass wire? Not the easiest thing in the world to do.
Here are a couple of pics.
The first one shows a birds eye view of the top of the windlass.


This one shows the ring in place.

The final product:

Grrrrrr. At the rate you keep showing me details to add I figure I will complete this model in approximately 2024!

I know right!

Believe it or not but there are a few more changes that I'm going to make on foc'sle.

Arrrgh! More?!
Actually, I enjoy seeing what you have spotted and I have missed.

Just a small update for tonight.
The next thing I am focusing on are these two large vents around the windlasses.


The size and shape of these two vents are correct for Arizona throughout the 1930's. By 1941 however, these vents were replaced with mushroom vents seen here:



So, using these vents as a starting point, I bashed a couple of mushroom vents together.



Thanks for looking'!

Jeff, great job on the build. I have been following your thread and checking the progress of your build. All of your additions are looking great and will go a long way in adding a ton more detail to her. Keep that detail coming.

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Jeff,
Will you shoot a side view of the mushroom vents? I would like to know what teh profile looks like before I start scratching.

Thanks!

Matthew

This view give us a decent look at one of them.

Thanks, Jeff. I can build that.

Ok, time for some more changes to the foc'sle!! Going back to Matthew's "Brackety things" I decided to do a head count and try to match them up with the film. Well, thats when things became painfully obvious to me that not only did a few brackets have to be removed but also the entire anchor plate had to be reshaped.
I'll try to describe what I did by focusing on the starboard side first and then the port side.
First, all of these brackets that seem to be floating in no mans land is the reason I started to question what was going on.


Comparing the above pic with this shot of the ship you can see the two brackets on the far right are no longer there in 1941. The other two are there but not quite like the kit (and plans) show. Anchor plate is behind each bracket which extends up to the bow.


On the starboard side, the fix was easy. I just added a strip of styrene as seen here.


Now, notice the location of this bracket and notice the shape of the anchor plate around this bracket.


Compared to this, it is obvious the plate is wrong on the kit.


Time to rip up the plate and start cutting. This is how the starboard plate should look.


The port side has issues as well.
Notice how high the cutout on the plate goes up to the bow. It almost goes up as high as the hatch.


So, more cutting of the port side plate and this is how both sides should look.


It is interesting that the plans do not show these changes to the plates. The plans still show the original configuration of the plates after the ship was modernized in the 30's.
Now, if I can only find some studded anchor chain! It should all go back together nicely.
Thanks for looking!