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Author: | Channell [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Oh man Mark! The adventure begins! ![]() |
Author: | Goodwood [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
This should be fun... ![]() |
Author: | ArizonaBB39 [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Excellent work so far Mark! I was about to post the start of my 1/700 AZ-PA conversion, but it doesn't look near as good as yours! I am definitely looking forward to updates. |
Author: | Mgunns [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Thanks guys and thanks Steve for posting your crane supplement: I will be ordering these as I have no idea how to go about "Scratching" these. So, the build continues. ArizonaBB39: I am sure you work will be exemplary For starters, I got the Floating Dry Dock DVD "PSBB38" that has both the Pennsy and the Arizona on it. The main feature of this disc are the wonderful photo's that some gifted photographer took at Mare Island. What besets the modeler with these excellent photo's, is the time frame. What was added post Pearl Harbor? Like any puzzle the pieces began to fall into place. Someone posted a photo of the Pennsy at 1010 dock out of the book, "Pearl Harbor the Way It Was." I have this book but the photo is between two pages. The poster took the photo out of the book and posted it on the forum which then allowed me to zoom in on the details and what details there are; but I digress. For references I used the FD PSBB38, Hank Strub, a.k.a. BB62vet, provided me with crystal clear photo's of the Mare Island photo's, Jeff Sharp provided a distant photo of the Pennsy in dry dock, and I found on You tube a video with the Pennsy in the background in the dry dock. For paint, I used Tamiya XF-24 Dark Grey, which is what Chuck Bauer used on his Arizona build, and for the 5-L I made a mix of Tamiya acrylics that closely match the Life Color 5-L, but I fear I got mine a little too green, oh well, says I! For Photo etch I am using the kit provided railings, MKI Photo etch that comes with the MKI wood deck and all the Eduard that is available for the 1/200 Arizona, Tom's Model works 1/192 Radars for the CAXM-1 Radar and Tom's Model works 1/200 Doors for more doors. So, moving along I have painted the and assembled the air defense platform which is pictured below. As you can see I have painted it the 5-L that I mixed, I have added the searchlight platform, I don't think I got it tall enough, but I am going with it. I added a ladder and a door, I figured that there needed to be an access to the support wiring and electrics in there somewhere, so I added a small door. I added a Bob's Buckles Eyelet and a hunk of plastic to the directors as there seemed to be some sort of antenna sticking out if it and another block of something. I also added what looked like control panels to the railings. Not quite exact but representative of the control panels that appear on the railings. As I mentioned, there are more differences than similarities and as the build progresses I will be pointing these out with the help of Steve Larsen, Hank Strub and others. Remember, this is not the Arizona so any references to the Arizona to the Pennsylvania are not comparable, the rigging is totally different for example, and the photo's at Mare Island are only for reference as the modeler has to divine what wasn't on the ship at Pearl in the August to November time frame. ![]() I added some PE Ladders, brass hand rails, some hunks of plastic and brass wire for the electrical boxes and other details to the gun directors. Here you can see the platform that rests under the director and the platforms I added. Again these are purely conjectural as the photo's are quite vague. I figured thus: If there is a ladder to the platform, which is clear in the photos, there has to be a platform that the ladder goes to, so I added a notional platform for the ladder to go to. It's my model and that 's what I am calling good. You can see the flag bags. My intention there is to cover the void with a tissue "Tarp" and then attach the halyards to the railing covering the void with the tissue tarp. These were made with pieces of scrap sheet plastic, Bob's Buckles eyelets and wire. Bob's Buckles can be purchased from Robert Booth in England at: http://www.bobsbuckles.co.uk/ Having built a number of 1/32nd WWI Biplanes these are the "Bees Knees," and work extremely well for 1/200 and 1/350 ship rigging. The tubes work great for insulators and simulating turnbuckles. A bit spendy, but well worth the expenditure. Here is a more clear shot of the back side of the superstructure. You can see the doors on the aft side of the navigation bridge and the platforms. I drilled holes into the decking, using brass wire, I then drilled corresponding holes into the decking and "wired" them into the superstructure. ![]() Okay, moving along. I am having a heck of a time trying to download the photo's of the ship at Mare Island. You will have to take my word for it. However, you can see them at Navsource: http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/38a.htm The flag bags aren't included in the Model Monkey 1/200 Pennsy Superstructure, so Looking at photo's and trying to diving how they looked, discarding the Eduard Flag Bags for BB-39, I made my own. Again these are scrap sheet plastic, I just eyeballed them and fitted them into the space they are supposed to go, added a railing to attach the halyard to and called it good. ![]() The machine gun platform on Pennsylvania is quite a bit different from the Arizona: not being inclined to scratch build I thought I could get away with using the Arizona platform with some mods, ala Jeff Sharp in his Arizona build. ![]() But alas, it just didn't look right so, I "scratched" it. Basically an outline of the Arizona one for fitment and then modified to more closely resemble the Pennsylvania. ![]() Then cutting sheet plastic I made the splinter shields, added some bracing and called it good: ![]() I added the machine guns some railings and viola: here it is: ![]() Moving along to the fore top: This picture is of the ship in dry dock: here you can see the machine gun platform, and there is a triangular antenna or rigging mount that come off the bottom of the top, it is in earlier pictures of the ship and definately shows up in the Mare Island photo's, the antenna comes off this and goes to the jack staff. ![]() The CAXM-1 radar is clearly evident in this photo as well: So, using a couple of pieces of wire I added the device. ![]() The modeler can also see that the fore top lights are different than on the Arizona. So, what to do? I looked at the sprues for the Kingfishers and noticed that bombs are provided. So, I cut one of the bombs in half and used it for one of the lights on a mount and used another one and placed it on the a mount that I "scratched" to more closely resemble the light mounts on the foretop. ![]() One of the things that the Eduard PE Set offers is the ladder rungs or hand rails for the foretops. There are three on each side of the fore top as seen here and 7 on the back sided. I tried to get them even, but that was a chore. I also added the "L" channel to the front of the foretop, when after checking the photo's I realized that there weren't any "L" channels on the front of the foretop, so I had to scrape them off. I used Plastruct channel for the foretop structure supports around the bottom as well. ![]() Now for the fun part. Attaching the Lattice yards. Whereas having built the 1/200 Arizona and whereas having knocked off the lattice yards two times each, I was loath to attach them. So, I tried to come up with a way that would give them purchase and yet be unobtrusive. So, I made a template and after much dry fitting came up with this: ![]() Just some hunks of sheet plastic to give the yards something to hold on to. I also noticed that yards had a hand rail on the top, so using a piece of railing, I added a hand rail. Boy was that fun trying to get that lined up, but after much perseverance, like Uncle Milton with his Ant Farm, I got it in on both sides. ![]() So it ended up looking like this after adding a weather vane, an anemometer and another "deal", and some lights and rigging and the CAXM-1 Radar from Tom's Model works 1/192 Battleship radars, which is just sitting there for now, so I don't knock it off. ![]() ![]() Here is a photo of the CAXM-1 on the Foretop as well as an early SC radar as well. The SC wasn't on at Pearl Harbor, but the CAXM-1 clearly is. Figuring that the Tom's Modelworks 1/192 CAXM-1 would be close enough and the only one available, I went with it. ![]() ![]() The base of the radar is the kit part #D-29. It is a bit short so I added small piece of sheet plastic under it to clear the railing on the platform. The actual platform is a perforated structure, but for strength for the model, I used the kit part, #D-26. The Pennsylvania did not have the D-28, flag looking device on the radar hut on the air defense platform ala the Arizona. Here you can see a little more clearly how the whole thing sits on the platform and the railings and ladder that surround it. ![]() Going back to the armored citadel. I noticed in the photographs of the Mare Island fit, there is a periscope right smack dab in the center, there is a hand rail on either side and ladders that extend to the top. So, I used one of the periscopes from the Arizona kit, some wire for the vents, and the Eduard hand rungs for the run on the top of the armored citadel, or conning tower and added ladders to either side. ![]() Bending the railing to match the contours of the conning tower was fun, but I think I got it down pretty good. ![]() I jumped ahead a bit and went to the bulkhead that separates the main deck from the superstructure deck. The Arizona had two ladders coming off the superstructure deck to the main deck, Pennsy had one and the door arrangement was different. I started it and once I get my doors from Tom's Model works, I will remove the kit molded doors and place the PE doors in the correct position. I also added the electrical boxes and conduit per photographs. I think the door on the right accessed the Master At Arms compartment. ![]() Once I get the foremast/superstructure assembly accomplished, I will move on to the more mundane boats, guns and other subassemblies. Until that time |
Author: | ArizonaBB39 [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
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Author: | Dan K [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Beautiful work, and another great project. |
Author: | BB62vet [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Mark, Well, this is really progressing at quite a pace! Very impressive, indeed. Will be following, of course. Hank |
Author: | MartinJQuinn [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Nice work! |
Author: | Jeff Sharp [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:56 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Oh boy Mark! I really like this! Man, do I want to do one of these, but I would have to add a Cassin, Downes and a big a** dry dock. That would be a 10 year project. I think I'll just enjoy your buildup instead. Good luck! |
Author: | Mgunns [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Thanks Abram, Hank, Dan, Martin & Jeff: I think it will be pretty neat. No diorama in Dry Dock Jeff. Just a straight up build. By the time your AZ dioarama is finished you may have 10 years invested in that one. ![]() |
Author: | ModelMonkey [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:22 pm ] | |||
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Mark, your crane design is now at 95%. All of the overall dimensions match the Mare Island photos - exactly. Detailing, mostly riveting, continues. You, Hank, Martin and David asked for it and here it comes. Teaser below. For more drawings, see: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=161238&p=680887#p680887
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Author: | Jeff Sharp [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Mgunns wrote: By the time your AZ dioarama is finished you may have 10 years invested in that one. ![]() Sometimes it feels like it! I keep getting new ideas to add to it. Those cranes Steve are making are incredible! Cant wait to see them on your kit. Now you'll also need those "S" shaped vents. |
Author: | Mgunns [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Jeff Sharp wrote: Mgunns wrote: By the time your AZ dioarama is finished you may have 10 years invested in that one. ![]() Sometimes it feels like it! I keep getting new ideas to add to it. Those cranes Steve are making are incredible! Cant wait to see them on your kit. Now you'll also need those "S" shaped vents. Hi Jeff: Yes, the vents. Steve is going to come up with those as well. The one behind the #3 Turret is that "S" shaped one, and the other two are square. I tell ya, we're living in the golden age of modeling. Your ideas to add the ship are great. I really like it. At first I was a bit skeptical, but after seeing the progress you have made, I think it's pretty cool. |
Author: | Mgunns [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
ModelMonkey wrote: Mark, your crane design is now at 95%. All of the overall dimensions match the Mare Island photos - exactly. Detailing, mostly riveting, continues. You, Hank, Martin and David asked for it and here it comes. Teaser below. For more drawings, see: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=161238&p=680887#p680887 They really look great. I got the stack today, another work of art. I am UV'ing it now. Can't wait. I am going out of town for about a month, leaving on Sunday, I will be checking in on my wifes laptop though. I won't order until we have about a week left, then we should be back before it arrives. Are the vents in the Model Monkey pipeline? |
Author: | ModelMonkey [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Mgunns wrote: Are the vents in the Model Monkey pipeline? Aye, cap'n. Have a safe trip! |
Author: | Mgunns [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
ModelMonkey wrote: Mgunns wrote: Are the vents in the Model Monkey pipeline? Aye, cap'n. Alrighty then! ![]() Have a safe trip! Thanks |
Author: | Mgunns [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Okay, The foremast is quite a bit different from Arizona in that there is not "middle platform". There is a small platform on the foremast forward post with ladders going from it to the machine gun platform and then a ladder going to the top. In trying to divine what is there and what it is that is there, I came up with my best guess. Working form the image below, you can see the searchlight platform, the foremast leg and a platform with a ladder leading up to the machine gun platform. Coming off the machine gun platform is a tubular device, I have no idea what it is or what's it function was, may be to catch the spent shells? Bearing in mind the machine gun platform has been up-armored with better splinter shield protection since it's days at Pearl and before and now has 20MM's vice the .50 cals. With the smoke and clutter and not knowing what it is, I came up with a simplified version. ![]() ![]() Here is the starboard side. You can see there is "gear" attached to the formast leg under the platform, but again, I have no idea what it is, so my best guess: ![]() ![]() And here it is in dry dock at Pearl. ![]() I am just about done with the superstructure and the foremast and top. I have a ladder, some rigging and it will be set aside and then moving on to other things. Thanks to all for your comments and encouragement. |
Author: | ArizonaBB39 [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/200 Arizona to Pennsylvania Conversion |
Excellent work so far. I didn't realize the foremast was so different in this area. Thanks for the info. |
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