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 Post subject: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 3:46 am 
Hello all,
first...I'm new here...well I started building 1/400 scale ships, the scale because I have a diecast airplaine collection....scale 400
so I started looking for aircraft carriers...found some..and thought..nice...but better start with small to test ...then level up.
so ...I bought...and bought...now I have about 40 boxes waiting going from S-boot to the USS EnterpriseI started with the S-boat...there are 6 in the Kriegsmarine Box..so not a problem if I f..ck one up lol
then I started the T23...got a nice offer 3 for 15US in 1 box...same reason...f ck one up...not a problem....I'll post some pics later of these 2

so next...level up is Z31...renamed Marceau

I found that nobody actualy modified the bridge as the kid is with the Z 31 square bridge it was modified by the French...and looking way better...it also is like that on the box picture

so in the middle of my construction I decided to make a go for it


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:19 am 
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here's my first 2 ships the T23 and s-boot


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:35 am 
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this was at start of modification


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:40 am 
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yes...I started to test PE railings...and modified the mast accordingly


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:42 am 
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and..needed to bring original radardome higher...and ad a new one


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:43 am 
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all that...added...and dry-fitted...looks like....


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 9:40 am 
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not happy with my paint...it doesn't stick well on the PE metal parts....any advice?


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 10:35 am 
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what paint & did you clean the pe before painting?


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:27 pm 
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what cleaning ?...lol I see I should have done something first
thats learning process


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:00 am 
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some new pe works


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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 11:03 am 
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a small modifcation of the mast...radar less imposing and lower on mast....it looks now way more like the real one


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 12:33 pm 
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what drawings if any are you using to correct the Marceau kit as I have that kit waiting in the stash pile?


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 7:52 pm 
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I'm using all real picture existing ..don have plans...so pure visual estimation
at least it is more look a like than the square bridge Heller has
I'm also looking at modification of anti air guns...heller are german double flack...marceau are ...i think single 40mm bofor guns...I have WE PE bofor guns...never made them yet...a bit afraid of it lol


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 9:52 pm 
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Modernizations: 1950: - 6 x 2 - 37/69, 2 x 1 - 37/57, 1 x 4 - 20/65, 2 x 2 - 20/65; + 8 x 1 - 40/60 Mk 3, US-made radar
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/france/fr_dd_marceau.htm
can get American 20mm aa guns from this link http://www.3dmodelparts.com/1-429-singl ... nt-12-pcs/
& quad 40mm bofors http://www.3dmodelparts.com/1-426-quadr ... lds-8-pcs/ that the guns can be cut apart carefully to use the single barrels.
I just bought recently from that site 110 quad 40mm bofors & about 432 single 20mm aa guns in which some of the 20mm guns will be used on my 8 modified Heller Type 47 Surcouf Class Destroyers plus other Heller coldwar French warships.


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 3:02 am 
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nice guns...looking good...ok scale 429....but close enough... :thumbs_up_1:
I wasn't actualy gonna do so much modification and spendings on this one...at start...but ...
the damm thing caught me and I'm doing more and more ...FINE detailing ...even re-doing stuff.
I must say I love the sleek way these destroyers look....those Germans did know how to build beautifull ships.
I also have admiral Scheer, Lutzow...Scharnhorst...Tirpits and Bismarck...when seeing how much time this one is taking...I'm getting scared lol
not to speak of the king George V, the Hood, Richelieu, Dunkerque, USS Missouri and 4 carriers (and some more but smaller schips)....all 1/400

tirpits, Bismarck and BB 63 are Kangnam, USS enterprise is ARII rest Heller...

I have years of work :Mad_6: lmao

plans or good airial pictures would help me getting this one closer to reality...I can't see well on the pictures I have, what is on the original radar dome.

all comments or potential modifications...(things I didn't do good as well) or overal appreciations are also welcome...I'm not an ego freack :heh:

today I think I'm gonna finish the rear castle railings..the one with the 2 x 150mm guns


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 3:42 am 
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DavidP wrote:
Modernizations: 1950: - 6 x 2 - 37/69, 2 x 1 - 37/57, 1 x 4 - 20/65, 2 x 2 - 20/65; + 8 x 1 - 40/60 Mk 3, US-made radar
http://www.navypedia.org/ships/france/fr_dd_marceau.htm
can get American 20mm aa guns from this link http://www.3dmodelparts.com/1-429-singl ... nt-12-pcs/
& quad 40mm bofors http://www.3dmodelparts.com/1-426-quadr ... lds-8-pcs/ that the guns can be cut apart carefully to use the single barrels.
I just bought recently from that site 110 quad 40mm bofors & about 432 single 20mm aa guns in which some of the 20mm guns will be used on my 8 modified Heller Type 47 Surcouf Class Destroyers plus other Heller coldwar French warships.


I just bought some of their guns...
2X Single 20-mm Oerlikon Cannons (Pedestal Mount) - 12 pcs
1X Quadruple 40-mm Bofors Autocannons (no shields)- 8 pcs
1X 3-inch/50 Caliber Guns - (6 pcs)
1X 5-inch 25-Caliber Guns (10 pcs)


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 5:04 am 
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damm...I think I have a structural mistake...the front upper airguns have a stairs going up from under the bridge structure...my sailors have to go up the lower ones...climb a ladder to the middelfront that has an opening to the 2 top air guns....dilemma..am I gonna modify?


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:31 am 
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according the pictures...heller's kit has a bit to little space around the main exhaust...so as I am systematicaly modifying...lets continue lol


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 7:13 pm 
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I've just emailed 2 different members who sent me plans before on French warships to see if they have the plans for the Marceau. cross your fingers if they do.


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 Post subject: Re: Marceau - Heller
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DavidP wrote:
I've just emailed 2 different members who sent me plans before on French warships to see if they have the plans for the Marceau. cross your fingers if they do.

txs...hope they do....I still have one in waiting...as it is also in the box "Kriegsmarine"..ok it is supposed to become Z31 or similar...but I can always redo it as Marceau
showing my little progress on it ..structure is partly dry fitted....
I'm pretty satisfied with bridge modification....otherwise...having lots of problems ...well better said...railings is not yet to my satisfaction
on the other hand...its the first ship I work so detailed on...the first two..I just took the heller railings....limed half of them away so they get way less imposing...and thats it

I guess there's wors and I shouldn't expect being a professional on my first real try on it :heh:

Pls all do comment...I'd like to have your oppinion about my ...say works


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