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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:58 am 
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not when the gun tub walls are half the height compared to your railings.


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DavidP wrote:
not when the gun tub walls are half the height compared to your railings.

I have seen those guns in action....they use ammo big time in a very fast way


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:42 pm 
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I'm talking about the height of the gun tub walls that those guns are partially enclosed in.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:46 pm 
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DavidP wrote:
I'm talking about the height of the gun tub walls that those guns are partially enclosed in.

even half of mine..they should be visible...the picture shows no tub walls at all..I checked the original picture at max zoom

I also base my making on pictures like this of Prinz Eugen

those guns where added during the war...on existing main guns...the germans needed steel...so min was used where not needed


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:22 pm 
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found also this picture...if there was a steel wall...even 50cm high...it should be visible and breack the top line of the main gun
but that is my opinion...so I might be mistaken
where do you base yourself on?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:16 pm 
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remember the 2 sets of drawings I sent you back in july 18th of the Scheer, the 1st set has 1942 side profile at top then 1942 topview in the middle & the 1944 side profile at the bottom. what makes you think it had a twin barrel gun mount on the stern turret?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:52 pm 
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The last picture of Scheer is from 1940/41 when there was just a strange small metal ring on top of the forward turret and no gun on the rear one.

Here is a late war picture, where a metal shield is clearly visible on the front turret around the vierling
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:49 am 
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ok...I see....and you are correct about the little wall....not sure gonna change it on mine..its painted and looks good lol...it might remain and become one of those..."Artist" own things
(artist is me lol)
I have 2 X flak vierling....I have seen renderings with it ...they did change the gunnery often not sure late 1944 or early '45


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And another one probably from 1945 you can even discover an ammo box :big_grin:
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you got me cornered ....how the hell am I gonna put that box on mine...I made it round lmao...but still
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to be honnest...I don think its an ammobox....putting the ammo box where your gun shoots ...looks not very lovely...only the blasts would make it a pain to go get more ammo...


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:36 am 
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This configuration is not a rarity at all. Look at this tub for an Oerlikon gun aboard HMS Warspite:
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been doing many different stuff...like lifeboats, now they can sit


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:32 am 
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with some effort...one can nicely modify the simple original... keep in mind..the real one was about 13.5m long...the scale one...only 2.9...cm


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starting to do railings....its the beginning of the end as once railings put... fix what can be fixed without disturbing any other stuff to ad

some more little boats to finish and also some guns but...that can be put on ...at the end...before I do all the riggings


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as I'm doing more and more details...one I thought had to be...if I'm correct....its the only surviving object from the schip...the bell

I think according to all pictures I've seen...that was her spot...but when going in details like that, you realise how wrong some structures of heller are...the stairs cut in the superstructure...weren't there
I put the small boat there...just to see size...not sure yet where I'm gonna place that boat...mid-schip...or same hight on schip port side


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re-done some painting on the small boat...after looking at the pictures I took...needed some improvement-
now correct a bit on the red ...and it should be better


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I have seen many modellers using rustdust to make the big battleschips weather battered...I'm not a fan of that...those schips where a nation's pride and very well taken care of...painted and re-painted sometimes twice a year, or more....only after the war or de-comissioned they would get that way.


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I don't go for weathering nor railings as railings are out of scale unless it is a larger scale than 1/144. those portholes on the hulls of your small boats are too big as I think they should be half that diameter.


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DavidP wrote:
I don't go for weathering nor railings as railings are out of scale unless it is a larger scale than 1/144. those portholes on the hulls of your small boats are too big as I think they should be half that diameter.

I don't have a smaller drill...ones a certain size(small) its a problem finding the material to work with ...I've seen a film from the wartime where Hitler comes aboard a major ship in one just like this ..those 3 upper windows should not be round ...but be square with a slight bow for the top part of the window...reallity stops where size gets too small to do.


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Triumph68 wrote:
been doing many different stuff...like lifeboats, now they can sit

those life boats painted look way better now...yes I saw the little paint problem...didn't see it in real...only on picture ...
pictures don't pardon anything


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