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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:21 am ]
Post subject:  1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

As said in my Heller Marceau post...next is heller's Admiral Scheer 1/400

First ..choose time periode as she changed big time as seen here in added pic (watch main structur-mast)

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

I decided to go for 1944 lay-out and paint

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

as I like comparing sizes.....here are 4 of the german schips (3 in the make lol)
from top to bottom
Marceau old Z31
Admiral Scheer
Prinz Eugen
Scharnhorst

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

first thing....waterline, each does paint in his own way....I like to start with the black water line
reason is ...when I ad other colors and some paint slips under the tape...it shouldn't...but it happens..corrections on the black line are easy and ...
after doing so invisible

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

loyal to myself....I suddely saw that the rear deck structure ....lets say isn't quite right...
where the deck drop is...heller made it say rounded...in reality...it was strait.....the heller stairs are not realy what I prefer

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

so...lets cut and re-do

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

now the modification paint...looks already way better

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

anti fouling painted...not been perfect...but nothing dramatic and its starting to look at something

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

I'll be using partialy the 1/144 scratch build from russclark on this site for modifications (1/144 admiral sheer s.c. scratch build)
I like it a lot and as its bigger...more details than on smaller ships
for the rear I'll try do similar but...with small modifications:
stairs more at exterior and new gun platform not centered like in the aded design of nov 1944

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

first thing to do now...place windows, doors where heller has nothing...and correct minor problems
FYI the windows are 1mm on 1.5mm and 0.5mm thick...now letting it dry properly then I'll fine tune them

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Author:  totally_random_man [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

Hello Triumph68,

it's nice to see the birth of a large-scale late-war Admiral Scheer :thumbs_up_1:

Be careful with the drawings because most of them depicting the ship post-recosntruction are wrong

Here you can find some information in the CASF Deutschland-class thread:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9383&start=180#p667654

greg

Author:  Triumph68 [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

totally_random_man wrote:
Hello Triumph68,

it's nice to see the birth of a large-scale late-war Admiral Scheer :thumbs_up_1:

Be careful with the drawings because most of them depicting the ship post-recosntruction are wrong

Here you can find some information in the CASF Deutschland-class thread:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9383&start=180#p667654

greg

txs gonna check it out, btw...all comments are always welcome
I try to base myself on drawings but also on real pictures of the schip I'm building, the 2 complete nicely
at least thats what I've done with previous schip...I like modifying the kits to make it as real as possible.

Author:  Triumph68 [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

As I bought the kit ...used...they had already build the funel and all search lights, guns and mast.....and fully unpainted...so

I cut off all ...and starting to do some modifications on it

seeing the pictures....I'm even thinking of cutting off the top and re-build that part....

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Author:  totally_random_man [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

I hope I'm not too late:

For some unkown reason Heller gives that rim below the funnel cap and makes the cap in a smaller size than the rest of funnel. The real one didn't have the rim after 1941 refit and the cap was all around flush with the funnel sides:
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Author:  Triumph68 [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

totally_random_man wrote:
I hope I'm not too late:

For some unkown reason Heller gives that rim below the funnel cap and makes the cap in a smaller size than the rest of funnel. The real one didn't have the rim after 1941 refit and the cap was all around flush with the funnel sides:
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No...not too late...and its a fact I hadn't payed attention to.... :thanks: , I know now what my next job is ...remove top...and re-do it

donno yet how I'm gonna make a new funnelcap though :huh:

Author:  DavidP [ Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

modify the existing funnel to get the correct shape

Author:  Triumph68 [ Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

DavidP wrote:
modify the existing funnel to get the correct shape


to big..can reduce...to small...thats something different....
thinking of cutting it on the side (where its flat) and ad a strip in between
another thing that seems to be is the front rounding of the cap...I have the impression that the original cap doesn't curve from bottom to top.

on top of all....it seems that my predessor owner of the kit...put the cap upside down....good thing he didn't do much more....amateur :Mad_6:

Author:  Triumph68 [ Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

as some parts where poorly glued...it came pretty nicely apart...giving the advantage of being able to ad some details more easely
the brass lines are actualy 1 bar of a railing I cut off from a 3 bar railing and needing only a 2 bar railing for a German sub

my advice...what ever you cut or have left over.....can always be used some where else

gonna ad also the doors on it to get to the upper level...missing in the kit

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Author:  Triumph68 [ Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

the rime is limed off....and top cut and added pieces

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Author:  DavidP [ Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1/400 Admiral Scheer Heller

I've expanded a couple of 1/600 Ajax hulls to make the York class cruisers HMS York & HMS Exeter besides cutting a section out of a number of 1/429 scale Arizonas to do the Arkansas, New York class & Nevada class. just finished extending Lindberg's US Navy tanker by 14mm.

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