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 Post subject: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:02 pm 
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Hello guys, I need your help with a few issues. I want to build a HMS Nelson Trumpet 1/700 nr 06717. According to the instructions, it is the model true to 1944 and its camouflage reflects the one that is pictured on the box. However, I like the camo from 1942-1943 a lot more. So, my question is, if I make this model but change the camo to reflect the latter years, do you think it is still going to look appropriately or is it going to be immediately noticeable that something is "off?" Also, if that changed camouflage is acceptable on this particular model, can anyone point me to the more detailed description of it (also top view)? I would also appreciate the exact paint numbers from Gunze. Thank you so much in advance.


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 2:26 pm 
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does that model have 4 quad 40mm gun mounts on it because if it does then that is a late 1944 early 45 version of Nelson?
https://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/nelson_class.php3


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:06 pm 
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Yes, David, (thanks) has these 4 quad 40mm gun...So I understand that there can not be a kamo from 1942-43 ...What a pity!


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:11 pm 
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go thru this link to see what weapons the Nelson had around 1942-43 to what your model has as maybe still possible to easily downgrade the weapons/radar to 1942-43 time period to do the camo you like.
https://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/nelson_class.php3


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:20 pm 
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I once built the Tamiya Rodney on 1/700 and it had the possibility to build it in the early (1930's) mode. If you would try to adapt your model to the first drawing on the page, it would probably come close to an early war Nelson and you can apply your desired camo scheme.

https://www.super-hobby.com/zdjecia/7/1/1/1153_2_tam77502_1.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:55 am 
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Thanks guys, I'll look and maybe I can do something about it ... I'm whispering some more detailed scheme of such a camouflage from all sides and from above. How exactly did it look like? Maybe someone has this and can share or show me where I can see. I can not find this in google


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:12 pm 
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Dick and I have been working on illustrations of the camouflage scheme since early February. It's not finished yet though so I am reluctant to share it at the moment. I am reasonably comfortable with the 1942 version of it, but the late 1943-early 1944 version needs more critique. The scheme definitely evolved though.

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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:24 am 
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According to the suggestion StevenVD and DavidP I compared Nelson's design and appearance from 1944 and earlier. To apply camouflage from 1942-1943, a lot of changes in the construction and equipment of the model would have to be made. I do not have enough experience and skills to do it the right way. I'm too weak modeler. :big_grin: So I have to stay with the camouflage as given by Trumpeter. I am sorry for all the confusion, mea culpa, mea culpa mea maxima culpa ... :smallsmile:


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:32 am 
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It looks like it's ok
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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:48 am 
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Cezary, I prefer masking tape not painters tape to close seams & joints while the glue cures.


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:33 am 
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David, me too, of course, but there is no glue here. :smallsmile: It's just a try "dry" :big_grin:


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:01 pm 
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could not tell if there was glue used or not.


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:52 am 
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David, my very poor knowledge of the English language means that I can not understand everything exactly.I'm sorry for you, but that's why I do not understand what's going on:
"Cezary, I prefer masking tape not painters tape to close seams & joints while the glue cures." :smallsmile:
I hope I have not written anything stupid or offensive :smallsmile:


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:56 am 
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You can attack now ...
Artillery 406 mm number 1
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And go fishing...
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and smoke what you caught
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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:17 am 
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no problem. do you know what masking tape is as I don't know if it is just used in North America(I'm in Canada) or world wide?


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:22 am 
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I know what masking tape, in Europe is used


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:23 pm 
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most makes of masking tape sticks to objects pretty good but not all. painter's tape is usually colored green or blue does not stick as well which is what you want so that when you remove the tape it does not remove also some of the paint you just applied or had applied earlier that is supposedly dried. that is why I said above about using masking tape not painter's tape to hold model parts together til the glue dries.


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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:50 pm 
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Cezary wrote:
You can attack now ...
Artillery 406 mm number 1
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And go fishing...
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and smoke what you caught
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Hi,

Before you get too far, I think maybe your grey looks quite dark for G45

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It should look quite light, especially in the sunlight.
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I tell you now because I think you will struggle to get a good look with the darker blue panel on the hull if the grey is too dark. From your photos, the grey looks like it is closer to the old understanding of 507B grey. That is the same tone as the darker blue on the hull will be, so either you will need a very dark blue and the whole thing will look too dark, or you won't get the contrast between the blue panel and everything else. :smallsmile:

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 Post subject: Re: HMS Nelson 1/700
PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:30 am 
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Guys, I'm very happy that someone noticed my mistake and helps me fix it.Thank you very much! :big_grin:
My maneuvering possibilities are limited only to the combination between the paints I have and their mixing.Advise, please, what should I do with these colors (lighten, darken) ... First, blue ...so the letters "a" and "b"....
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And gray number 1,2,3 and 4...
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I will mix these colors according to your instructions, :thumbs_up_1: until I get something that can be used without major reservations...Help me :smallsmile:


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:52 am 
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I mixed the colors and stirred until I got this effect ...
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