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Author: | Vladi [ Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:51 am ] |
Post subject: | 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi´s) |
Attachment: This is a kind of unexpected-unplanned side project of my Battle of Savo Island collection, although the S-44 relation to the battle is a very clear one. S-44 managed to sink the Japanese heavy cruiser Kako enroute from the battle some 100 miles East of Kavieng, thus providing a revenge for the four Allied heavy cruisers sunk the day before. I indeed contemplated adding the S-44 sometime in the future, but my friend Martin changed my plans by donating me one half of his Tom´s Modelworks 1/700 S class submarines kit last year. The S class submarine is really tiny in 1/700, the waterline hull measuring only some 83 milimeters.The kit contains parts for two waterline models, S-35 and S-28. Both units belonged to the first batch of the S-class while the S-44 was parts of the third batch, so she was slightly longer and differed in the shape of her conning tower and some other details. I wasn´t able to find too many resources for the third group aside from some 28 photos, most of them showing their pre-war fit and some dated 1943 when she underwent a refit that changed the appearance of her conning tower quite dramatically. Navsource provided the only 1942 photo dated September showing the S-44 crew relax while moored at Brisbane before the start of her 4th patrol. This would be an awesome resource if it wasn´t taken from the bridge, so no details of the conning tower etc. are shown at all. Attachment: 19420901 S-44 (SS-155) crew relax while moored at Brisbane before the start of her 4th patrol Navsource 0815520.jpg [ 375.34 KiB | Viewed 3062 times ] Anyway, it´s quite clear that her conning tower changed a bit from pre-war but it is not quite clear what happened before and after the Battle of Savo Island, especially to the antennae arrangement. For sure she did not have the SG radar as shown on early 1943 photos. There are Booklets of General Plans available for several S-class units (a BIG thanks to Egilman!), but all of them first or second group of S-class. The only two sketchy drawings of the third batch I found were S-43 from the US Submarines through 1945 - An Illustrated Design History by Norman Friedman (showing internal arrangement) and S-44 from Navsource showing her after the wartime refit in 1943. The latter helped a lot with the hull but I had to reconstruct the appearance of the conning tower as of August 1942 using only photos and a bit of imagination. Attachment: Contents (one half - except of PE) of the Tom´s Modelworks S-class kit: Attachment:
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Author: | Fliger747 [ Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
The holes along the sides of the sub are called limber holes and allow faster flooding of the casing which is the decking built over the pressure hull. Pretty tough guys in those S boats! |
Author: | Vladi [ Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:46 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Thanks for the terminology ![]() |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
The international aspect of these forums is one of their best aspects! Cheers. Tom |
Author: | Dan K [ Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Too funny, Vladi. Imagine that, just one more detour. Nice start. I'm looking forward to your eventual take on Solomon Islander canoes scattered about the shoreline. ![]() |
Author: | Vladi [ Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Fliger747 wrote: The international aspect of these forums is one of their best aspects! Tom, I totally agree! I love being in touch with modelers across the globe here. BTW I love your APA efforts, it´s really great. Hope I could build one or two of Kelly Turner´s transports, one day. Dan K wrote: Too funny, Vladi. Imagine that, just one more detour. Nice start. I'm looking forward to your eventual take on Solomon Islander canoes scattered about the shoreline. ![]() Dan, this is not much of a detour, come on, battles are not fought by cruisers only ![]() ![]() |
Author: | paulcolt [ Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
interesting build. i have a friend who is building S-44 in 1/72 right now. Its amazing how builds like this are in multiples or no one at all is building the obscure items. Looking forward to following this. |
Author: | Vladi [ Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:59 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
That sounds really interesting! Would you please ask him (or send him here) what resources is he using for his build? |
Author: | Dan K [ Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Quote: Any info about what class that two masted schooner was? Photos? Plans? Probably something very close to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinisi ![]() |
Author: | Vladi [ Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:43 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Dan K wrote: Quote: Any info about what class that two masted schooner was? Photos? Plans? Probably something very close to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinisi ![]() I knew you´d have the answer ![]() Let´s carry on. As expected, designing a flat PE overlay to match a quite complex (and a bit uneven) resin hull was not an easy task, despite all the prior measurements and later adjustments to the hull that I made. The height of the resin hull was too high when compared to drawings and photos, also the symmetry of the hull was slightly off as it happens sometimes with resin, so some sanding was needed. In the end, after waiting one month for the PE to be produced, it turned out my first attempt failed to match the hull lines properly leaving too wide a gap in between. Attachment: Attachment: Also my first version of the conning tower proved to come out too tall and the limber holes ( ![]() Attachment: So another attempt was needed. I added many tiny detail parts like a (fancied) inside of the bridge, anchor, periscopes, ladders, horns and both versions of antennae struts (pre-war and early 1943). The production had to wait until I finished revisions of all the other parts on the A4 brass sheet for my other projects (like the prototype of PE for Bagley and Benham class destroyers with Kraken Hobbies ![]() |
Author: | maxim [ Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Interesting, another super detailing/conversion project related to Savo! ![]() When I had seen the PE parts, I thought you would make the hull using PE parts alone ![]() |
Author: | taskforce48 [ Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Fantastic start! Can’t wait to see the end result ![]() Matt |
Author: | Fliger747 [ Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
A fun off the wall build! Actually native canoes were very important in pilot rescue and their eventual repatriation. In a battle of attrition, such efforts add up. I've been to the Czech Republic only once, we picked up the very first manufactured lot of X-Boxes, but have flown over it a zillion time en route from Europe to the Middle East or Shanghai or Hong Kong. I do have several of the famous BRNO Mausers, and a CZ rifle and pistol. Nicely engineered and built. 3D parts (at least home built) have the advantage in that they trim of adjust easily, or you can crank out a replacement after adjustment. There always seems to be some "bend to fit, paint to match" in adapting to an existing structure. Cheers: Tom |
Author: | Vladi [ Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Thank you, Lars, Matt and Tom! My second attempt on the PE came out definitely more usable. The seam on the port side is just as I imagined it, starboard came out a bit worse. The remaining gap between the resin and the PE would not be a great deal to fill in with putty but that would quite certainly end up with losing the PE detail that I aimed for. So I decided this had to do for the moment, let´s see how it will turn out. Attachment: The downside was that the whole brass sheet was overetched by the producer (complaint accepted),but most parts were usable although some were quite fragile. The one missing part (the smaller periscope tower on top of the conning tower) was lost due to my own mistake in the design, but I will be able to use the one from my first attempt. Photos show only the main parts in place. Attachment: Attachment:
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Author: | marijn van gils [ Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Very nice project, and a fun change from cruisers! ![]() Great PE-design work! ![]() ![]() ![]() Almost nothing of the original kit remains visible... ![]() |
Author: | maurice de saxe [ Fri Jul 02, 2021 9:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
I have been able to obtain tiny brass ball bearings down to 0.5mm diameter. I have some that are 0.8mm in diameter which is marginally larger than your requires 0.7mm ball. Maurice |
Author: | Dan K [ Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:40 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
Beautiful work, Vladi. |
Author: | taskforce48 [ Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/700 USS S-44 - Battle of Savo aftermath (Tom´s + Vladi |
That is just insane! ![]() ![]() Great job sir! Matt |
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