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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:49 pm 
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I guess I should properly post this link here. I have been working on these tables for about 7 years now. I continually add new colors and refine the existing color mixes. Lately I have been adding aircraft colors since I paint a lot of naval aircraft miniatures (and air force too.) I still need to complete Japanese and Italian aircraft colors. For the naval colors I purchased all the Snyder & Short paint chip sets, plus as many books on WWII naval camouflage as I can find. For the air force colors I have mostly used books I have acquired, plus matched against paint colors from other paint lines.

https://app.box.com/s/istm0needbufr1micfa71wvcgyfppi0a

(Link updated 7-4-2019)


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:56 am 
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Good work on the list...have you done any matches for Post War to Present as far as USN colors are concerned ?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:39 pm 
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gott_cha wrote:
Good work on the list...have you done any matches for Post War to Present as far as USN colors are concerned ?


Thanks. I have only done the WWII colors.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:59 pm 
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Thanks for this update. I use Vallejo quite a lot now, especially as enamel paints (including Colourcoats) are almost impossible to get (here in NZ) because of postal restrictions.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:43 am 
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After more than a year I have finally added the Japanese air forces to the tables. I also added the early war colors for the USAAF. Now I just have the late-war USAAF and the Regia Aeronautica remaining to be added. I also refined a few colors in the ship section including new and improved "guesses" for the French and Soviet navy, and a few tweaks to the Kriegsmarine Norway colors.

A special call out to Eric for coming up with the best mix for the Zeke's early war "Light Green Ash" color!

Let me know if you find any typos or mistakes.

https://app.box.com/s/e4lofe83j8n1gwrr7z9xqlguyvd8dosg

I also updated the link in the first post of thread.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:05 pm 
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Well thank you for posting it. I found the list a couple days ago and have been putting the colors I need together for my current build.
I was going to post a link to the very same list on a thread I started yesterday.
Like others I can't get WEM colourcoats or Gunze so its Vallejo all the way...which is fine By brush or airbrush!

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:37 pm 
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You guys are very welcome. I also couldn't get Colourcoats in the US. Also, I paint plastic miniatures that can flex a little, and I learned from other miniature painters that acrylics work best for that.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:24 pm 
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I have updated my Vallejo WWII naval and air force paint equivalency tables once again. I have finally added the Italian Air Force colors. "Officially" this finally completes this project that I started about 9 years ago. Unofficially, I am always making little tweaks when I get new information. Plus I need to reorganize the US Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps air color section. It is a bit of a mess because I started with the USN/Marine Corps air colors (naturally) and then added Army Air Corps colors much later. The two services settled on a common set of colors in 1943 and that is not clear from the way I did the tables. Plus there are some Air Corps late war colors missing because of way I did it. Anyway, still a project for another day!

Updates in the January 2017 document:

1. I have finally added the Italian Air Force colors - Go Regia Aeronautica!
2. Added color mix for Royal Navy color B55
3. Revised some of the USN 1944/45 neutral gray mixes
4. Added Netherlands East Indies green camouflage colors (educated guesses)
5. Added Tashkent's "powder blue" color in Soviet navy section (another educated guess)

Here is the updated link to the file:

https://app.box.com/s/2hz3x8hp57kqk8qqyu40y0lndkdnc696

Note: You can tell what version of the tables you have by looking at the footnote at the bottom of the page that lists the references. I have put my initials "MSD" and the date the document created there. I have always done that. This latest is January 26, 2017.


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Was looking over your list and noticed on page 3 that you indicate using 964 + 816 at a 3:2 mix for USN 5N Navy Blue, but on page 5, under recommendations for measure 22, you show using 816 + 900 at a 3:1 mixing ratio for the 5N. Why the difference between the two 5N's?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2017 12:49 pm 
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lgmccauley wrote:
Was looking over your list and noticed on page 3 that you indicate using 964 + 816 at a 3:2 mix for USN 5N Navy Blue, but on page 5, under recommendations for measure 22, you show using 816 + 900 at a 3:1 mixing ratio for the 5N. Why the difference between the two 5N's?

Larry


I just went back and looked at my swatches and the 964 + 816 at 3:2 is correct. The 816 + 900 was an earlier mix that was close, but too light. I forgot to update the painting recommendation. Thanks for catching that! I have fixed it for the next revision.

Mike


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:53 pm 
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I have significantly updated my Vallejo WWII color charts. In particular, I have added all of the WWII US Army Air Force and Navy/Marine colors and I have about doubled the number of Luftwaffe colors and updated the rest based on newly acquired references with paint chip samples. I have also added some of the newly revised Royal Navy colors that have been proposed by the excellent research done by the Royal Sovereign hobby guys. However, these are "best estimate" color matches based on their published internet documentation. I am in the United States so I cannot get the actual new Colourcoat paint samples that I would obviously like to use. I have also updated a scattering of other colors in the document.

The new link to the document is:

https://app.box.com/s/istm0needbufr1micfa71wvcgyfppi0a

Please let me know if you see any typos or errors. And I would always be interested in alternate color mix suggestions.

Here is a "change log" if you are interested.

Additions and changes to Vallejo WWII mixes – July 4, 2019

Royal Navy

Added
507A/G10 alternate
Emergency mix medium grey
507C/G45 alternate
Dark Deck Grey
B5/B15 alternate
G5

Changed
Cemtex (late war)
G45 (1942)
B55 (1942)
G45 Neutral Tone (1943?)
B55 (1943)


United States Navy


Changed
Cavite Blue
5-S Sea Blue B

Italian Regia Marina

Changed
Verde Chiaro

Soviet Navy

Added
Medium Blue Grey (Northern Fleet)

Changed
Dark Grey
Tashkent Blue


Colors for wood decking

Added
Weather beaten deck tan

Royal Air Force

Changed
RAF Sky Type S
Middlestone

United States Air Force and Navy/Marines

Newly expanded and updated

Germany Luftwaffe

Newly expanded and updated

Japan

Changed

Light Ash Grey – “J3 towards Ameriro” for early war Zeke
Blue Black (cowling)

Romanian Air Force

Added

IAR 80 colors


Reference list expanded with new acquisitions. All references are in the personal collection of the author.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:12 pm 
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I guess I should add that I continue to update this list because I mostly paint WWII miniatures. I use the Vallejo Model Color paints because they are optimally formulated for brush painting, are easily thinned for airbrush, and there is a wide range of colors to work with. I have no connection to Vallejo either monetarily or personally. I have been working on this chart (and releasing updates) for about 10 years now. Since retiring a couple of years ago I have also returned to some scale modeling. There are many alternative paint brands for the air force colors, but most of them are optimized for air brush and too thin for brush painting. Anyway, I have years of experience (and money) invested in my Vallejo paint collection so this is what I am most happy with using. I have purchased and used hobby paints from most of the major manufacturers and I have found them all to be of excellent quality. They simply have different characteristics that take a little practice to use optimally. It is also interesting to see how much variation there is between brands of paint that are listed as the same color. Not to mention the differences in paint chips for the same color in multiple references. There is obviously room for uncertainty and differences in interpretation.

Disclaimer: I am not a paint "historian" or researcher. I just attempt to match the colors that other researchers and references have provided. With all the variation out there I often just have to make my "best call" on a paint color. Your mileage may vary.

I would always be interested in hearing about alternative mixes.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:05 am 
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there must be a typo somewhere, as I cannot believe 507a/g10 alternative (2018 research) is somewhat similar to vallejo 903 !

can you confirm this point ?

thanx

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:34 am 
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mister me wrote:
there must be a typo somewhere, as I cannot believe 507a/g10 alternative (2018 research) is somewhat similar to vallejo 903 !

can you confirm this point ?

thanx


Obviously we played no part in compilation of any Vallejo equivalents. I'm not in the business of doing the competition's homework for them.

Comparisons to our research have probably been done visually and even then likely someone guesstimating from the illustrations on my website.

Assuming Vallejo's 903 matches one of the things it claims to be on the label, here's how it would compare to 2018 research 507B/507A/G10. It's labelled as "Intermediate Blue" and "FS36176" which are obviously distinctly different colours. Intermediate Blue is approximately equal to FS36164 whilst FS36176 is equivalent to Dark Gull Gray.

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Naturally the paint inside can't match both of them and knowing Vallejo it probably doesn't suit either.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:22 pm 
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My apologies for taking so long to address this issue. I need to check this forum more often!

I agree 70.903 is definitely the wrong color. Looking at the older editions of this project it appears that was a "copy and paste" error as 903 was part of the old 507B mix.

I suggest trying a mix of 70.836 London Grey plus 70.869 Basalt grey at a 1:1 ratio. That appears to be very close to my eyes.

Those two colors plus the mix for 507C (907 + 990 2:1) seem to make a good representation of the Emergency Mix medium grey as well.

Let me know what you think of that match.

I will update the chart as soon as I finish a re-check on the French Air Force colors with a set of sample chips I recently acquired.

I have found the Vallejo Federal Standard numbers are a "rough match" in many cases. That is why I do not rely on them. Especially in the Model Color range. Their Model Air range seems to be more accurate.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:25 pm 
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I also feel the need to remind everyone that I have no connections to Vallejo at all. I have never been in contact with them about this. I don't know if they even know if this chart exists. And if they do they probably cringe a little!


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:00 am 
In the Vallejo Color guide, each of the japanese shipyards has an alternate grey without the blue tint. It says (B,C) - does that mean this alternate paint was used for Battleships and Cruisers only, or does it mean something completely different? I cannot find an explaination to the letters (so I assume it is so obvious to everyone else but me it isn't necessary...).

And how often, and why, was this alternate paint without blue tint used? Was this due to some kind of shortage of blue pigment during a certain period?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:10 pm 
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In the Vallejo Color guide, each of the japanese shipyards has an alternate grey without the blue tint. It says (B,C) - does that mean this alternate paint was used for Battleships and Cruisers only, or does it mean something completely different? I cannot find an explaination to the letters (so I assume it is so obvious to everyone else but me it isn't necessary...).

And how often, and why, was this alternate paint without blue tint used? Was this due to some kind of shortage of blue pigment during a certain period?


The alternative colors are from the Snyder & Short color chips and are colors used by the IJN when they were short on blue pigment. Much like the USN did late in the war. Unfortunately, I have never found any detail information on exactly when the alternatives were used or on what ships. Given the state of the IJN late in the war I would imagine records would be very hard to find. For that matter, there seems to be a lot of debate on when the neutral grays were used on USN ships late in the war as well.


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